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Apr 30, 2010 - 9:14 AM
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I just saw the film - thought it was an appropriate follow-up to the first film, a lot of fun, maybe overblown at times, but otherwise a good time at the cinema. The score, however, seemed interesting in parts, but I couldn't discern it from the sound effects a lot of the time. There's lots of brass and some prominent choral work, but I can't really pick out key moments where the score played a part (except the Prologue). Still, I will check it out once the score album is available. Also, there is a source piece composed by John Debney and The Sherman Brothers, which gets a reprise over the End Credits; that's a lot of fun and its origins in the film suggest why Debney went to the Shermans - very clever.
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Apr 30, 2010 - 9:17 AM
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Score Whore
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I just saw the film - thought it was an appropriate follow-up to the first film, a lot of fun, maybe overblown at times, but otherwise a good time at the cinema. The score, however, seemed interesting in parts, but I couldn't discern it from the sound effects a lot of the time. There's lots of brass and some prominent choral work, but I can't really pick out key moments where the score played a part (except the Prologue). Still, I will check it out once the score album is available. Also, there is a source piece composed by John Debney and The Sherman Brothers, which gets a reprise over the End Credits; that's a lot of fun and its origins in the film suggest why Debney went to the Shermans - very clever.
I rewatched the first film tonight 'cause my partner and I are seeing the sequel tomorrow night.
When I saw it back in 2008 on the big screen, I lamented -- as I did tonight -- that there was no heroic, recognisable, main theme for the hero. I miss the days of 1989's Batman, Indiana Jones, Superman... Wagner got it right with leitmotifs and Hollywood did too until the last decade or so... sigh...
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Also, there is a source piece composed by John Debney and The Sherman Brothers, which gets a reprise over the End Credits; that's a lot of fun and its origins in the film suggest why Debney went to the Shermans - very clever.
I remember a big-band arrangement of the '60s cartoon theme was heard as source music in the first film. I'm looking forward to the new Shermans song.
Was there any use of the Black Sabbath "Iron Man" this time (heard over the end credits in the first film)?
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Apr 30, 2010 - 10:03 AM
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Maestro
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I saw the film at a preview screening yesterday.
Where do I begin?
It starts off promising enough... and then it all goes horribly wrong.
I would love to know MattyO how you managed to get any fun out of this film when it almost sent me to sleep twice, and I loved the original.
Could it be that there is pretty much "no" action at all in Iron Man 2? Rather insulting for a comic book film that's been marketed all over the place as being "action-packed".
How can you make an Iron Man film so utterly boring? I'd rather watch Transformers 2 than watch this film again. I'm absolutely gutted.
I waited two years.....
for
Wolverine is more entertaining, and I thought that film was bad enough.
This also has one of the worst mixes I've heard in recent years.
The score? What score?
I don't even know why they bothered using Debney's hard work at all.
The music is so buried it makes Williams' music for the Star Wars prequels appear extremely loud in thouse mixes by comparison. Yes, it's that bad.
I honestly do not remember a note and I have razor-sharp hearing.
I look forward to hearing what Debney came up with when I hear the album, because you get about the same amount of information from his score watching this film that you would get sitting at home listening to nothing.
If I were him, I wouldn't even waste my time working on another one. Just get Djawadi back and be done with it.
From the Hollywood Reporter:
What Debney brings to the table is how to write music around that (the sound effects), so you're not competing," Favreau notes. "Understanding what range to use, what tones to use, and how to time it so you're reinforcing the effects and you're not muddying things up and the music can be played at a high level without competing with the sound effects -- he's pretty masterful at that."
So what Favreau basically means is,
turn the score right down so nobody can hear it, because he clearly finds it to be a distraction.
Okay then, we've found a guy with an ego the size of Ben Burtt.
On that note, of the very brief action sequences there are in this film, the pivotal one at the end has no music in it at all.
All in all, Iron Man 2 is a disaster. The treatment of Debney's score in the final mix only adds to its failures. It's funny how the selection of AC/DC hits and a Queen classic all get to take center stage when they appear in the film, yet as soon as it's time for any material by Debney, you may as well just refer to his music as being a window, and Iron Man's repulsor beam shattering it.
My advice would be, don't waste your money seeing this film. Stick to seeing something like How To Train Your Dragon instead, that's what I saw directly after this and I am very glad I did. That film actually is entertaining, an all-round solid film. A Terrific score by Powell that sores even higher in the film, than it already did on album.
Iron Man 2
1/5
How To Train Your Dragon
5/5
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Whoops.
To answer my own question, it looks like Black Sabbath is out and AC/DC is in. There's an AC/DC soundtrack album out now and Debney's score doesn't get released until July 7, 2010 from Sony Classical.
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Apr 30, 2010 - 4:56 PM
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mulan98
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I saw the film at a preview screening yesterday.
Where do I begin?
It starts off promising enough... and then it all goes horribly wrong.
I would love to know MattyO how you managed to get any fun out of this film when it almost sent me to sleep twice, and I loved the original.
Could it be that there is pretty much "no" action at all in Iron Man 2? Rather insulting for a comic book film that's been marketed all over the place as being "action-packed".
How can you make an Iron Man film so utterly boring? I'd rather watch Transformers 2 than watch this film again. I'm absolutely gutted.
I waited two years.....
for
Wolverine is more entertaining, and I thought that film was bad enough.
This also has one of the worst mixes I've heard in recent years.
The score? What score?
I don't even know why they bothered using Debney's hard work at all.
The music is so buried it makes Williams' music for the Star Wars prequels appear extremely loud in thouse mixes by comparison. Yes, it's that bad.
I honestly do not remember a note and I have razor-sharp hearing.
I look forward to hearing what Debney came up with when I hear the album, because you get about the same amount of information from his score watching this film that you would get sitting at home listening to nothing.
If I were him, I wouldn't even waste my time working on another one. Just get Djawadi back and be done with it.
From the Hollywood Reporter:
What Debney brings to the table is how to write music around that (the sound effects), so you're not competing," Favreau notes. "Understanding what range to use, what tones to use, and how to time it so you're reinforcing the effects and you're not muddying things up and the music can be played at a high level without competing with the sound effects -- he's pretty masterful at that."
So what Favreau basically means is,
turn the score right down so nobody can hear it, because he clearly finds it to be a distraction.
Okay then, we've found a guy with an ego the size of Ben Burtt.
On that note, of the very brief action sequences there are in this film, the pivotal one at the end has no music in it at all.
All in all, Iron Man 2 is a disaster. The treatment of Debney's score in the final mix only adds to its failures. It's funny how the selection of AC/DC hits and a Queen classic all get to take center stage when they appear in the film, yet as soon as it's time for any material by Debney, you may as well just refer to his music as being a window, and Iron Man's repulsor beam shattering it.
My advice would be, don't waste your money seeing this film. Stick to seeing something like How To Train Your Dragon instead, that's what I saw directly after this and I am very glad I did. That film actually is entertaining, an all-round solid film. A Terrific score by Powell that sores even higher in the film, than it already did on album.
Iron Man 2
1/5
How To Train Your Dragon
5/5
A tedious post although I do agree regarding the merits of Powell's score for HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON. Much of the remaining blather though is OSAF (Opinion Stated As Fact).
For my money Debney has done a blistering Main Title and the remainder of the score serves a mediocre (IMHO) film well.
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John Debney said on his Twitter page that the score album will be 74 minutes long, so at least the absurd amount of time we have to wait for it will be worth it.
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Well.. I loved the film. What's with the haters? What did you want? This is pretty much a seamless continuation of the original, with added elements and some deeper stuff. But it's still what makes Iron Man great... it's FUN! Not an Earth-shaker but 10/10 for doing what it should do.
As for the score, I found it really low-key and pretty tuneless, but I may be doing it a disservice. Will wait to hear the score album. But honestly, Djawadi's score now stands out for me from the first film more than the music in this one. I'm sure it's at least partially Favreau's fault. Ah well.
Wonder who will score Thor. Doyle?
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I thought it was common knowledge that Patrick Doyle is already signed to score "Thor"?
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