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 Posted:   Jun 27, 2010 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

The X-Men album has about HALF of the music he composed for the film. I'd love to see an expanded release for this score. Would it need to be two discs? Probably not... but I'm sure Kamen fans would be happy to have more.

sure, more Kamen is alwasy a great thing. but with so many of his other works with no proper, or extremely bad releases, X-Men could wait a little :-)

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2010 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

For those who attend the La-La Land Records panel in Ubeda on July 15th, I'll be revealing the Comic-Con limited edition titles. That would be 5am PST here, in case anyone happens to be online at the conference and posts the announcement online. Certainly earlier than the press release which is gonna be going out later in the day. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2010 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

Ooh I hope someone is there so they can quench my undeniable thirst to know what these titles are!

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2010 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The X-Men album has about HALF of the music he composed for the film. I'd love to see an expanded release for this score.

I wonder how much of the score was edited/remixed/tampered with? Rumor was that Badelt was brought at the 11th hour and added some drumloops or something? (Any confirmation to this?)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2010 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

The X-Men album has about HALF of the music he composed for the film. I'd love to see an expanded release for this score.

I wonder how much of the score was edited/remixed/tampered with? Rumor was that Badelt was brought at the 11th hour and added some drumloops or something? (Any confirmation to this?)



There are also several ALTERNATE SCORINGS (or cues that were revised) for the following cues

1m8 - Logan Drives
1m10 - Amush
2m2 - Lab and Coridor
3m6a - Magneeto Opens Trains
4m2b - Jean in Cerebo
4m5 - X-Jet

And

the final confrontation on Ellis Island had several revisions to it

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2010 - 1:05 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

5000 is Gremlins. I'm sure of it. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2010 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

For those who attend the La-La Land Records panel in Ubeda on July 15th, I'll be revealing the Comic-Con limited edition titles. That would be 5am PST here, in case anyone happens to be online at the conference and posts the announcement online. Certainly earlier than the press release which is gonna be going out later in the day. smile


I was really close to actually going to Ubeda this year but for budgetary reasons I couldn`t. However I might go next year. Anyway looking forward to LLL`s upcoming announcements as always.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2010 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

Now, now - they are called "re-use" fees (or royalties) for a reason - and you should get them too if the work you do is then resold for something else again. An actor is paid for his/her performance for the film for the screening or an episode for two airings. If the producer wants to air it again he/she has to pay. If they want to release it on vid/dvd/blu-ray they have to pay. They are paying for the performance/artisitc work.
When we bitch about the fees, who is really being greedy?


I don’t think it’s a question about being ‘greedy’, but instead just flexibility regarding fee payments.

(disclaimer: I know jack about this industry, and am making some big assumptions here, so please correct me if I’ve misjudged anything)

I believe the idea is that if a score is released, the label pays the orchestra a percentage of its original fee for that score. However, this is where the problem seems to start. Apparently the union demands the entire sum (which can run into the tens of thousands, or more) in one payment before the music can be released.

Let me make one thing crystal clear: the orchestra should be paid for its work. No question.

But what I don’t understand is why the union has this policy of needing the entire sum upfront? It frequently means either no album, or a very short album.

If you have a huge score to a crap film, no one in their right mind will pay tens of thousands to release, if they might only sell a few copies. Result? No release, no income for the musicians, no exposure for the composer. *everyone* loses.

But instead of that, if you simply ask the label to pay a royalty for every CD it sells, the costs are regular and small instead. Result? Label can afford to press some CDs. Musicians get a small but steady income, music gets heard, fans are happy. Everyone wins.

It seems that right now, all of the financial risk of releasing a score is given to the label. If a CD sells poorly, the orchestra is sitting happily on its extra fees, whereas the label has made a loss (and the music isn't heard, which is the point of the orchestra earning more in the first place).

From my limited perspective, I can't see the logic behind any of this.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

what about JFK as one of the upcoming WILLIAMS titles? it's warner and the original album was an electra release just like THE FUGITIVE.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

JFK would be awesome, but also a complete mindf--- to figure out. The score was almost wholly created editorially, as Williams wrote everything before the film was finished. Add in the tomandandy cue(s), the source music (the Brent Lewis tracks are almost essential and play almost like score in the film), and the crazy weird edits, they'd have a mountain of paperwork at the very least.

A good thought, though!

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2010 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

As far as Warner titles go, I'm still holding out hope for a remastered and expanded EMPIRE OF THE SUN.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

The score was almost wholly created editorially, as Williams wrote everything before the film was finished.

are you sure about that?! hm of course that would explain some of the harsh edits that are in the movie.
if I think about it, it explains the kinda "lyrical texture" of the music. it all sorta creates a mood for the scene without being too much dedicated to the pictures itself. good editing job though. and it would be a thrill to hear the original versions of the tracks.
if LALA would do it they need to use the old album (mean all the songs, etc) too right?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I don't know any of that for an absolute fact, but I'm pretty sure this was the norm with the Oliver Stone/John Williams collaborations.

Either way, it's the score that got me INTO film music (and film) in the first place, so I'd gladly accept all the extra music (including the tomandandy stuff).

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

äs far as WEA titles go, still hoping for remastered/expanded NEVERENDING STORY II smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2010 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   AndreaDanna   (Member)

äs far as WEA titles go, still hoping for remastered/expanded NEVERENDING STORY II smile



Yeah, I too!!! (my previous avatar was a photo of Mr. Folk, one of my fav composers) big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

There seems to be some behind the scenes talk that the upcoming kamen release from lalaland will be die hard with an edition that sounds much better than the varese release, probably due to newly discovered tapes as well. I can't value this rumor yet, but if you missed out on the varese cd or were never satisfied with it in the first place, then you might want to watch lalaland's future announcements very closely! Just in case there is more to these rumors.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

There seems to be some behind the scenes talk that the upcoming kamen release from lalaland will be die hard with an edition that sounds much better than the varese release, probably due to newly discovered tapes as well. I can't value this rumor yet, but if you missed out on the varese cd or were never satisfied with it in the first place, then you might want to watch lalaland's future announcements very closely! Just in case there is more to these rumors.

Very exciting news, if the rumor is true. I had to fork out $180 to get the Varese Die Hard CD, but I no longer own it.

I'd love to be able to get this score again.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Oh, this thread title had me fooled AGAIN!



. . . And here I got all dressed up for nothing.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

äs far as WEA titles go, still hoping for remastered/expanded NEVERENDING STORY II smile




How about BEASTMASTER 2 ? It is an incredible score, the music deserved such a better movie. I do not know who the movie studio was, I am just saying I adore Robert Folk's Beastmaster 2 score and a remastered edition with extra cues if any would be fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2010 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)



And don't slam the Musicians' Union - we all want our composers to get their fair due, well what about all the artists who play it and without whose work we couldn't listen to it?

Composers get royalties, actors, writers, directors, and - yes - musicians; don't slam an organisation that works to protect their rights and royalties.


Well the AFM can be as strident as they like, but there is such a thing as pricing yourself out of the market, as any musican looking for a job in an orchestra can attest to.

 
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