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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

Hi!

anybody interested in making a complete timeline for important historic moments in filmmusic?

I don't mean like: John Williams first score for... etc.
I mean: first score with jazz influences, or first complete electronic score, first popmusic used in, start Silver Age...etc.

Please update/complete/change THIS LIST (!) if it is wrong... (copy paste it en make your changes!)
I will copy and paste it here again. So the top list will be the latest version!



Let's try to make the best possible:

1908 - L'assassinat du duc de guise (The Assassination of the Duke of Guise) - Saint-Saëns - fist complete original score for a movie

1909 - Max Winkler's publicated "Suggestions for Music" with a filmmusic-cue-sheet for silent films (but disproved by Rick Altman in his book, "Silent Film Sound" (2007))

1911 - Edison was publishing cue sheets in "The Edison Kinetogram," and Kalem was publishing full, all-original scores composed by Walter C. Simon for their films.

1911 - Arrah-Na-Pough - Walter Cleveland Simon - first original score for an American film

1915 - The Birth of a Nation - Joseph Carl Breil - first mentioning name of composer on filmtitels/crew

1921 - Dream Street - experiment with sound and film

1926 - Don Juan - first recorded score and sound effects to play synchronized with a film

1927 - The Jazz Singer - first real sound film including vocals and a few lines of spoken dialog

1931 - Odna ("Alone") - Dmitri Shostakovich -first use of a theremin in a film score

1933 - King Kong - Max Steiner - start Golden Age

1934 - One Night of Love - Receives first Academy Award for Best Score

1934 - The Gay Divorce - song: The Continental - Receives first Academy Award for Best Song

1935 - Les Souliers - Germaine Tailleferre - the first female film composer ????

1936 -Things to come - Arthur Bliss - first release of a British film score

1937 - Snow White and the Seven Dwarves - 78rpm first original songs compilation released separately from the film

1950 - For Whom The Bell Tolls / Golden Earrings - first release of orchestral score on 12"

1951- A Streetcar Named Desire - Alexander North -first Jazz score

1952- Limelight - Charles Chaplin - first film scored by its star and director

1955- Cobweb - Leonard Rosenman - first atonale (avant-garde) music

1955- Blackboard Jungle -first film to use rock songs as a film score

1956- Street Of Shame - Toshiro Mayuzumi -all-electronic score (Which is first?)

1956- Forbidden Planet - Louis and Bebe Barron - first complete electronic score (Which is first?)

1959 - Sleeping Beauty - first stereo soundtrack album

1960- Beat Girl - John Barry - first UK release of a film score

1965- Doctor Zhivago - Maurice Jarre - the first use of a Moog synthesizer (Herb Deutsch's prototype?) (it was only used to reinforce other instruments and not used on its own)

1967- The Trip - Electric Flag - Paul Beaver programmed and played the Moog in that score - the first score in which the Moog can actually be heard

1967- Wait Until Dark - Henry Mancini - first use of quarter tones in score

1969- Easy Rider - The first film to utilize a socalled "compilation score" of previously existing rock songs.

1970- Didn't You Hear - Mort Garson - first entirely scored via Moog Synthesize filmscore

1975- Operation Daybreak - David Hentschel - first used of the ARP 2500 alongside an ARP 2600 and orchestra.

1977- Star Wars - John Williams - revival of the Hollywood Style

1978- Midnight Express - Giorgio Moroder -Receives first Academy Award for Best Score completely electronically ????

1979- Star Trek: The Motion Picture - first digitally recorded parts of the score

1979- The Black Hole - John Barry - First digitally whole recorded score

1992- Memoirs Of An Invisible Man - Shirley Walker is the first female who did a complete filmscore and earned a solo score credit on a major Hollywood motion picture

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

When I do lectures on (western) film music history, it usually looks something like this:

Early silent film period
METROPOLIS (1927) - example of developped silent film score
KING KONG (1933) or BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (1947) - example of Golden Age
A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (1951) - example of jazz and early popular music in film
THE GRADUATE (1967) - example of specially composed, popular music as score (I mention EASY RIDER too, as one of the first "compilation" scores of its kind)
PLANET OF THE APES (1968) - example of 60's experimentation, type 1
THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY (1968) - example of 60's experimentation, type 2
STAR WARS (1977) - resurgence of the classically symphonic score
FLETCH, BEVERLY HILLS COP, SCARFACE - examples of 80's pop producers doing scores
THE ROCK (1995) - full realization of Zimmer's "power anthem"

I have a separate lecture about more contemporary film score scene, because it is so heterogenous and diverse. I also have separate lectures on the FUNCTIONS of film music where I use other examples to underline other things - TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD for dialogue, PSYCHO for cognitive point-of-view and so on.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

Hi Thor,

thanks, but I think you did not understand my question?

I am not looking for examples, but really the first of/in/use of/ other interesting stuff... etc.

And please copy/paste it in the list...

greetings sandor

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I'm wondering about the first film that was scored by its star and director. The earliest that comes to my mind is LIMELIGHT by Charles Chaplin. But I'm sure there must be an earlier one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

I'm wondering about the first film that was scored by its star and director. The earliest that comes to my mind is LIMELIGHT by Charles Chaplin. But I'm sure there must be an earlier one.


Paste it in the list if you wish... maybe somebody else will change it if there is a better one?!

thanks.

It would be nice to have a big list of events......

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Hi!

anybody interested in making a complete timeline for important historic moments in filmmusic?

I don't mean like: John Williams first score for... etc.
I mean: first score with jazz influences, or first complete electronic score, first popmusic used in, start Silver Age...etc.

Please update/complete/change this list if it is wrong... (copy paste it en make your changes!)



Let's try to make the best as possible:

1908- L'assassinat du duc de guise (The Assassination of the Duke of Guise) - Saint-Saëns - fist complete original score for a movie

1909- Max Winkler's publicated "Suggestions for Music" with a filmmusic-cue-sheet for silent films

1911- Arrah-Na-Pough - Walter Cleveland Simon - first original score for an American film

1915- The Birth of a Nation - Joseph Carl Breil - first mentioning name of composer on filmtitels/crew

1927- The Jazz Singer - start Golden Age

1951- A Streetcar Named Desire - Alexander North -first Jazz score

1952- Limelight - Charles Chaplin - first film scored by its star and director

1955- Cobweb - Leonard Rosenman - first atonale (avant-garde) music

1956- Forbidden Planet - Louis and Bebe Barron - first complete electronic score

196?- ?????? - ??? - first use of Moogsynthesizer

1967- Wait Until Dark - Henry Mancini - first use of quarter tones in score

1969- Easy Rider - first use of Rocksongs

1977- Star Wars - John Williams - revival of the Hollywood Style

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2010 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hi Thor,

thanks, but I think you did not understand my question?

I am not looking for examples, but really the first of/in/use of/ other interesting stuff... etc.

And please copy/paste it in the list...

greetings sandor


I know, and several of my titles fall in your category. The problem with naming something "the first", as I've often debated with manderley, is that there's almost always something earlier once you delve into it (whether on a purely experimental level or just plainly forgotten by the annals of film history). So it is perhaps more fruitful to ask what was the first of something that REALLY MADE AN IMPACT and/or had an influence in something; what is referenced in film music history as being landmark turning points?

Example:

Zimmer first developped his "power anthem" approach, one of the most influential sounds in film music the last 20 years, in the late 80's with films such as BLACK RAIN. However, it didn't really reach its fruition untill CRIMSON TIDE and really became the landmark, influential, referenced, popular approach from and including THE ROCK in 1995.

In any case, though, your list WOULD have to include stuff like KING KONG (1933), BLACKBOARD JUNGLE (1955), THE GRADUATE (1967) and THE ROCK (1995) -- or BLACK RAIN (1989) if you really want to subscribe to the "first" thing rather than "when it took foothold" idea.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

Hi Thor,

ofcourse... you are right in what you write.
But I think, these things are all wellknown to a filmmusicfan. It is often repeated over and over.

I think it would be nice to find out, with the knowledge all these fans, the roots of these landmarks. For example: it doesn't have to be in an American Film, while we often think it is!

Strangely enough just two people reacted on this list?! Isn't there any knowledge?
It is nice someone can think he knows an answer and another one can change it. That's how we can learn more about filmmusic.

And ofcourse it is difficult to say who's first!
But like in classical music it is common to say for example "Wagner used Leitmotiv first". He used it in his Festspiel 'Der Ring des Nibelungen.' (1876).
It was F.W. Jähns in his book "Carl Maria von Weber in seinen Werken" (1871) who used this word for parts of music from Weber 5 years earlier.
And who was the first to write a programmatic symphony? Was it Berlioz?
And did Liszt invent the symphonic poem? Who knows for sure?
etc.

Let's try and please copy/paste your good examples in the list above!

thanks

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

But like in classical music it is common to say for example "Wagner used Leitmotiv first". He used it in his Festspiel 'Der Ring des Nibelungen.' (1876).
It was F.W. Jähns in his book "Carl Maria von Weber in seinen Werken" (1871) who used this word for parts of music from Weber 5 years earlier.


Actually, the word 'leitmotif' itself was coined by one of Wagner's contemporary music critics, Hans von Wollzogen. Wagner himself used the term 'grundthemen'.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

ofcourse Mr Thor! I know that.

But what your writing now is what I wanted!
This is what I mean...

I wrote something and you could finish it to the basics. Did you realize that?

Let's do it for filmmusic instead of classical music!!!!!!!!!!!





HISTORY TIMELINE FILMMUSIC

1908- L'assassinat du duc de guise (The Assassination of the Duke of Guise) - Saint-Saëns - fist complete original score for a movie

1909- Max Winkler's publicated "Suggestions for Music" with a filmmusic-cue-sheet for silent films

1911- Arrah-Na-Pough - Walter Cleveland Simon - first original score for an American film

1915- The Birth of a Nation - Joseph Carl Breil - first mentioning name of composer on filmtitels/crew

1927- The Jazz Singer - start Golden Age

1951- A Streetcar Named Desire - Alexander North -first Jazz score

1955- Cobweb - Leonard Rosenman - first atonale (avant-garde) music

1956- Forbidden Planet - Louis and Bebe Barron - first complete electronic score

196?- ?????? - ??? - first use of Moogsynthesizer in filmscore (CAN ANYBODY TELL?)

1967- Wait Until Dark - Henry Mancini - first use of quarter tones in score

1969- Easy Rider - first use of Rocksongs

1977- Star Wars - John Williams - revival of the Hollywood Style

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

ofcourse Mr Thor! I know that.

But what your writing now is what I wanted!
This is what I mean...

I wrote something and you could finish it to the basics. Did you realize that?

Let's do it for filmmusic instead of classical music!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, yes....I knew what you mean from the first post and I'm not trying to be difficult. It's just very hard to do. For example, from your list:

1927- The Jazz Singer - start Golden Age

THE JAZZ SINGER was not the start of the "Golden Age sound" in film music, if that is what you mean. That honour is usually given to KING KONG (1933), with its full set of leitmotifs, neoromantic tone language, refined use of the diegetic/non-diegetic transitions and so on. However, JAZZ SINGER IS widely regarded as the first real SOUND film. Although that is debatable too if you're viewing it in purely technical terms. There were earlier films, like DON JUAN (1926) or even DREAM STREET (1921), which experimented with sound and film. I'm sure manderley can fill you in.

196?- ?????? - ??? - first use of Moogsynthesizer in filmscore (CAN ANYBODY TELL?)

I don't know for sure, but I would guess A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971) by Wendy Carlos. Carlos was at the very least responsible for commercializing the Moog with her SWITCHED-ON BACH albums in the late 60's.

1969- Easy Rider - first use of Rocksongs

It was not the first film to use rock songs as a film score. BLACKBOARD JUNGLE did it in 1955, probably the earliest to use rock songs as score all the way through. However, EASY RIDER is usually quoted as one of - if not THE first film to utilize a socalled "compilation score" of previously existing rock songs.

I salute your effort to find THE FIRST of everything, sandor. I really do. But as you can see, it's almost impossible in most cases (unless you're dealing with VERY specific things). At most, you can delineate what was the first of something TO HAVE AN IMPACT; the reference landmark point in film history. But I realize that's not what you want.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   johndupree52   (Member)

Some to find:

First digitally recorded score

First purely synthesized score

First score recorded at each major/famous recording studios

First score to a film in color

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

First purely synthesized score

Isn't that generally considered to be FORBIDDEN PLANET? (unless you're counting bizarre art films like those of Man Ray).

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

First digitally recorded score ... I recall reading this was:
The Black Hole - John Barry (1979)

Also: First UK release of a film score ... I think this was: Beat Girl - John Barry (1960)

if so, what a co-incidence: both films begin with letter B smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



I don't know for sure, but I would guess A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971) by Wendy Carlos. Carlos was at the very least responsible for commercializing the Moog with her SWITCHED-ON BACH albums in the late 60's.


A CLOCKWORK ORANGE was by WALTER, not WENDY, Carlos.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hi!
anybody interested in making a complete timeline for important historic moments in filmmusic?
I don't mean like: John Williams first score for... etc.
I mean: first score with jazz influences, or first complete electronic score, first popmusic used in, start Silver Age...etc.
Please update/complete/change this list if it is wrong... (copy paste it en make your changes!)
Let's try to make the best as possible:

1908- L'assassinat du duc de guise (The Assassination of the Duke of Guise) - Saint-Saëns - fist complete original score for a movie

1909- Max Winkler's publicated "Suggestions for Music" with a filmmusic-cue-sheet for silent films

1911- Arrah-Na-Pough - Walter Cleveland Simon - first original score for an American film

1915- The Birth of a Nation - Joseph Carl Breil - first mentioning name of composer on filmtitels/crew

1927- The Jazz Singer - start Golden Age

1951- A Streetcar Named Desire - Alexander North -first Jazz score

1955- Cobweb - Leonard Rosenman - first atonale (avant-garde) music

1956- Forbidden Planet - Louis and Bebe Barron - first complete electronic score

196?- ?????? - ??? - first use of Moogsynthesizer in filmscore

1967- Wait Until Dark - Henry Mancini - first use of quarter tones in score

1969- Easy Rider - first use of Rocksongs

1977- Star Wars - John Williams - revival of the Hollywood Style


We need to be careful about the first electronic score from 1956, because there is more than 1. Kenjo Mizoguchi's final film "Street Of Shame" from 1956 features an all-electronic score written by Toshiro Mayuzumi. I don't know which was really first, but I recall reading that the Barron's music for "Forbidden Planet" is actually a replacement score. Since the genre of sci-fi is known for electronic sound effects, it's perhaps more daring of Mayuzumi to provide an electronic backing in a Japanese film about a house of prostitution and its women...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2010 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)



I don't know for sure, but I would guess A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971) by Wendy Carlos. Carlos was at the very least responsible for commercializing the Moog with her SWITCHED-ON BACH albums in the late 60's.


A CLOCKWORK ORANGE was by WALTER, not WENDY, Carlos.


That's true. Same person, though, and I think she would prefer it if we used her female name, even when talking about her in the past.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2010 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

First use of a theremin in a film score - Odna ("Alone"), 1931, Dmitri Shostakovich.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2010 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   sandor   (Member)

Now we're talking!

let's go on...

thanks

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2010 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   BJN   (Member)

First use of a Moog synthesizer in a film score:

It's actually 1969 ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE (John Barry), unless someone finds an eralier score with Moog.

Similarly, first release of a British film score:

1936 THINGS TO COME (Arthur Bliss) Decca, 3 discs

 
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