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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2019 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

One of the biggest plot holes ever...

Why.did.they.need to hire a.musician& they could have.just played prerecorded music.
Course, then you have.no film#

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2019 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

What is the title alluding to? ... The implication is that there's something right in front of you but you just don't see it. The question with this movie is - to what does that very notion apply?

One of the embedded ideas buried deep in the film is that everything is one big game. Who's playing who, why and for what purpose? Another one is that everything you ever thought and believed in with such certainty just ain't so - all it takes is a slight push to put you in an alternative reality that was always there beside you, but something out of the ordinary takes you off the beaten track and you very, very suddenly see things from a different perspective and it puts the world in a whole new light.


I think you nailed it, Grecchus. That's an astute take on an elliptical, dreamlike movie.

In a recent interview with Sight and Sound magazine, screenwriter Frederic Raphael stated, “The title ‘Eyes Wide Shut’ was devised, in a blink, by Stanley, after I had proposed ‘Woman Unknown.’” He does not go into much more detail on this subject in his further reminiscences, but he seems less down on the movie than he’s been in earlier interviews; for which, I am glad:

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/features/frederic-raphael-reflects-writing-eyes-wide-shut-with-stanley-kubrick

I loved the movie from the first time I saw it, and the final scene has always seemed to me like a brilliant and amusing epitaph for a 70-year-old iconoclast.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2019 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Methinks..the only reasonStanley made this.was.to ogle naked.women.
What a perv.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2019 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Thanks for your response, DP.

The film certainly does not announce where the boundaries between "eyes wide open" and "eyes wide shut" are located in a strict sense - all that is rather subjective. That is, apart from the dream events which are simply stated and can be taken at face value such as Alice fantasizing about the naval officer, with her hubby imagining the same thing if I am remembering the film correctly.

There's no doubt that Dr Bob's 'odyssey' down the corridors of moral polarity and powerplay follow a path traversal which mirrors the kind of regressive parallel dream state levels in a recursive manner, yet they are also causally connected in the same way people bump into things in real life. But it does make you wonder what was the true nature of the chameleon Stanley Kubrick was attempting to convey, on balance?

The fact he passed away on the full stop at the end of the movie is particularly strange. I wonder what Kirk Douglas thought of it upon first glance?

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2019 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

I wonder what Kirk Douglas thought of it upon first glance?

Kirk was, apparently, not a fan!

Never thought to look this up but, waddayaknow, Variety made a connection between "Spartacus" and "Eyes Wide Shut" in this Arya Rosganian story on the occasion of Kirk's 100th birthday in 2016:

https://variety.com/2016/biz/news/kirk-douglas-on-stanley-kubrick-1201937274/

Describing Kubrick's disagreements with his star performer on set: 'According to Douglas, their arguments were so prolonged and vicious that his wife suggested the two attend therapy together.... The psychiatrist told Kubrick to read the 1926 “Traumnovelle,” recalls Douglas, which would later become his final film, “Eyes Wide Shut.”

'“It was the lousiest picture,” Douglas laughs.'

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2019 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The story about Kubrick reading the book at the behest of the analyst has come up before, however, my aging grey matter forgot all about it. Kirk's laughter provoking response is, on the other hand, altogether new and I'm not able to remember having seen it before. I think I read about Kubrick getting the suggestion he read Traumnovelle from Kirk's own book about the making of Spartacus but what bugs me is that I can't actually remember if I'd heard the story before reading Douglas' own book or during the reading of his book. Memories are made of this - pinch me, Hardy???

 
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