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| This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Seriously, Are There Too Many CDs? by Lukas Kendall |
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Nov 5, 2010 - 2:35 PM
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Rozsaphile
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All the talk about quantities and tight profit margins and the rest only serves to remind me of he incredible job a label like TRIBUTE does. They also have to negotiate rights, create top quality cover and booklet art, write excellent notes and distribute their CDs, just as the other labels do.
But on top of that, they have to reconstruct the music, fly around the world, stay in hotels, prepare parts for an orchestra, pay and rehearse them, and then record the whole thing.
The number of releases they can produce is obviously small, but Incredibly, the product they give us is no more expensive to buy than a straightforward remaster from our other labels.
When folks above talk of getting their priorities right when choosing which releases to buy first and which to delay, I hope they sometimes put Tribute (and Tadlow) at the very forefront because their LIVING performances and the astounding contributions of so many current musicians and gifted team members deserve it.
Not sure that's ended up as particularly relevant (I intended to talk about soundtrack pricing/promotion in general), but no matter.
AMEN. You might have added that these modern interpreters also make the music available for future performance. In other words, they are actually helping the music (a lively art) to really live. I know this will be heresy to some, but I look forward to the exhaustion of the archival materials, so that Lukas and others can turn their attention to the even more heroic task of recording music anew. By this I mean no lack of appreciation for the valuable work that FSM and others have done for us.
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Nov 5, 2010 - 2:52 PM
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soop.broth
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And here's a fun question to ponder: What if this confession were made by, oh, say Ford Thaxton and BSX? Or LaLaLand. Or Kritzerland. Or Intrada? I wonder what the reaction would be - well, in the case of the first name on the list, I know exactly what the reaction would be, but would that reaction be fair given the reaction here? I wonder as I ponder and I ponder as I wonder, not necessarily in that order.
I think the only reason it's possible that BSX might get a different reaction is because they've used up a lot of good will over the years by some customer service lapses, sometimes inflating their prices more than the other distributors when they sell titles not their own to eek out more profit margin, and sometimes selling product that may not be uniformly consider legit releases. Personally, I have no beef with them but we've seen that others do.
Indeed.
And because some of them are inconsiderate, rude, offensive and generally surly. They don't deserve fairness at this point. I think the other labels (including Kritzerland) would have been treated mostly the same way as FSM has been.
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Experience has taught me that, in a world of liars, hypocrites and frauds, choose your battles wisely... and bitching over the collectibility of limited editions certainly isn't a wise battle.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COLLECTABILITY! IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT THE COLLECTABILITY!
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Posted: Nov 5, 2010 - 1:03 PM Reply to Post
By: KyleS (Member)
I do not prefer the download trend. My one exception is that I bought Giachinno’s “Roar!” from Cloverfield’ off of iTunes since it was not available anywhere else.
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Tut, tut, tut, Kyle. Not entirely true. Check out this link:
http://screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/11417/FILM-MUSIC-2008-CLOVERFIELD-&-MORE
Though it's not the OST, it's pretty well done by the folks at Silva.
And I think that there exist two versions(a longer and a shorter version) of Roar!?
I forget their lengths at the moment. Something tell me about 10 minutes and 14 minutes?) Are the End Credits from the film longer than the iTunes version? Just that the opening of the music on the DVD is overlapped/crossfaded with some annoying sound effects at the beginning.
Ron Burbella
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So it's a big thanks to Lukas Kendall for increasing the limit from 3000 to 10,000 copies. So we have re-releases of Preditor & The Poseidon Adventure, & I would think a few more to come.
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Nov 6, 2010 - 9:14 AM
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eck1964
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Yes, indeed, thanks for the feedback request.
I don't think I can put it any better than others already have: please do whatever you feel appropriate to stay around. It's been some time since I've made a purchase, but my collection contains many FSM soundtracks, a number of them out of print for years and dear to my heart. Even now visible across the room are the cases to "Fantastic Voyage," "Beneath the Planet of the Apes," and "Where Eagles Dare" atop the stereo.
I'm a high school teacher and I play a great deal of music in my classroom. My students often ask, "Where did you get this music? How did you get it? I had no idea it was available, ever!" I pass along the information and I can only hope some of them visit this site.
Without your efforts some of this music simply wouldn't be available. I can't imagine "Fantastic Voyage" rotting in its cans under an ashtray at Fox!
Thanks for all you do, and keep doing it please! If limiting the number of CD's pressed helps keep you around then please, do it!
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So it's a big thanks to Lukas Kendall for increasing the limit from 3000 to 10,000 copies. So we have re-releases of Preditor & The Poseidon Adventure, & I would think a few more to come.
Perhaps a little confusion is at play here; FSM asked the AFM for a higher ceiling, but what does that have to do with Intrada's Predator? They simply re-licensed the music from Fox after Varese had sold their stock. I'm sure it was a simple case of enough time having gone by.
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I truly cannot believe the audacity of those criticizing Lukas for over pressing... You would think he was getting rich releasing this stuff. Who cares how many are pressed, sold, etc. This is Lukas' business and nobody else's.
I'm a first-time commenter here but I could not hold my tongue.
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So it's a big thanks to Lukas Kendall for increasing the limit from 3000 to 10,000 copies. So we have re-releases of Preditor & The Poseidon Adventure, & I would think a few more to come.
Perhaps a little confusion is at play here; FSM asked the AFM for a higher ceiling, but what does that have to do with Intrada's Predator? They simply re-licensed the music from Fox after Varese had sold their stock. I'm sure it was a simple case of enough time having gone by.
Well I dunno, but I'm thinking that if the ceiling was still 3000 copies, then Intrada could simply re-license the the music from Fox, & then simply have to pay the AFM so much dosh that the re-release would be financially unviable. But I only know what I read here, maybe someone could chime in that knows what they're talking about.
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Nov 8, 2010 - 2:50 PM
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Ebab
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I’m not a “collector”, I just have piles of CDs around. They have meaning to me but I don’t really care about their market value. If other people can enjoy the same gems, good for them. I still think it’s unethical to make more copies than announced. I come from this school: When an artist makes prints of his work and signs “My Name 142/300”, then the “300” has been an arbitrary choice, but once it’s been made, it has become a part of the work, and it can’t be changed without damaging the reputation of both the artist and his gallery substantially. I’m aware that record pressings is not entirely the same thing, but that’s where I’m coming from. My father was responsible for book manufacturing in a small publishing company, and when they did limited, it was just that. Had they done otherwise and word had gotten out, their business would never have recovered from the damage to their reputation. But again I admit, it’s not entirely the same thing – although I believe it should be dealt with the same credibility. And in an age where everybody has the means to obtain and publish lossless copies, we should be doubly careful not to damage the reputation of physical distribution media.
Am I the guy in a position to throw the first stone though? Certainly not. And would I prefer a beloved record label that is ethical but bankrupt? Don’t think so. I appreciate Lukas’s frankness, and for me that’s that. I will still buy when and if I’m inclined to. I will take the whole “limited” business with even higher heaps of salt than before though. But there’s no damage in that.
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Nov 12, 2010 - 11:36 PM
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Caesius
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How about this: announce a title, then take pre-orders. Base the unit run on how many pre-orders (or "commitments" from fans of the music?) you get, so a 750 unit pre-order might bid a 1000 unit number (extra to be on the safe side or whatnot).
Sideshow Collectibles does this for their big items. Just an idea - don`t know how feasable this may be for score work.
As a side note, I still desperately want the Assassin`s Creed scores, but I also still hate download-only acquisitions. I am also VERY leery of proprietary mp3 formats etc., media that has restrictions built in as to when and where you can play them. Keep such simple.
As for piracy, most pirates will never buy. They just won`t; some people are like that. Thwarting them seems to be a null venture to me.
Lukas, sorry if this has all been said before...
If it works for FSM, I'll support anything you decide (even if it turns out to be a bit begrudgingly). My only input about having pre-orders direct how many are produced is that not everyone that really wants a particular title will hear about it right away. I didn't know about Conan until 2 or 3 days ago. Or a better and more personal example was when the Limited Ed. Children of the Corn 25th Anniversary CD’s came out. After actively looking for this title for the entire 25 years, I missed the CD release completely. I happened to check the Varese site a few months later, and they were sold out. I eventually got lucky and managed to find someone selling it for a reasonable price out of a retail store online. But when I saw that it was release and that I had missed it, I was crushed. So, basically, I worry about those not actively following info from FSM. I was a member in the 90's with the photocopied mailings and only just joined again this week. Given my level of interest in film scores, I can't be the only film score lover that isn't "in the know." Purchasing a file download (or as noted - mailing a data disc of large downloads) when physical copies are gone is an acceptable substitute if that's what it takes. I loke the slice it takes out of shipping charge too. As silly as it sound, even if the price is $25 and $5 for shipping, it just feels better paying $30 and no shipping.
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It's some of our oddball titles that are killing us...having 800 Maurice Jarre classical CDs in inventory, for example. But if we discount them, then the people who bought them full price are annoyed—we can't win.
Sorry but I don't see that point. La-La Land has made discount prices and nobody has been annoyed.
I agree!
La La Land is having another big sales right now ... offering CDs for just half of the price and nobody is annoyed 
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