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 Posted:   May 3, 2011 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/black-sunday-1960les-baxter/

I've included both the Baxter and the Nicolosi main titles in audio clips so you can compare. Very happy there is another Baxter release.
Tom

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2011 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

To prevent this thread from sinking without a trace, I wish to indicate that, while it's a good thing that a vintage horror score has gotten released, I prefer the original Roberto Nicolosi score, and I dislike very much AIP's practice of re-scoring imported material for domestic USA consumption (as if we Americans could not possibly appreciate scores by Italians or Japanese or even British composers and, instead, need to have an American composer to "fix" something which is not broken and, in the meantime, provide additional wages & manhours for musicians' pensions from the union).

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2011 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I will respectfully disagree with you ToneRow. The times were different, and as a bonus, we ended up with two (or more) edits of the film and two scores to choose from. Sometimes the replacement score was better, sometimes not. All versions exist, at least in cyberspace if not on DVD. Viewers/listeners can choose whichever version they want. I'm glad I have the choice.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2011 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Of course, it's great to have choices.
And disagreements are healthy.

I'm not saying Baxter's replacement score is bad. Rather, I support the original Italian version as definitive and consider AIP's re-packaging of the film and music for USA audiences to be indicative of commercial/economical mindsets.

Would American audiences have deemed the original LA MASCHERA DEL DEMONIO as unacceptable? Or was the AIP re-packaging of this Mario Bava opus a requirement for its distribution?

Sure, I realize that scenes were cut, therefore rendering BLACK SUNDAY ripe for re-score.
But wouldn't it have been cheaper to simply edit the already existing Roberto Nicolosi tracks to fit the truncations?

Re-scoring imported movies was not an isolated occurrence but part of a trend which Americanized original content. Recall a 1959 British item (made by Robert Baker & Monty Berman) entitled JACK THE RIPPER. The original English score was done by Stanley Black; however, for its distribution in the USA, decisions were made to re-score Victorian London with Pete Rugolo's jazzy band, perhaps with the hope to also sell more records (Rugolo's music was released on RCA Victor), at the expense of historical accuracy and to cash into the then-current jazz craze.

Also, I'll always consider the UK print of CRY OF THE BANSHEE (with its score by Wilfred Josephs) to be definitive version, despite the cuts AIP made to yield yet another Les Baxter rescore ...

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2011 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Full Moon   (Member)

I will respectfully disagree with you ToneRow. The times were different, and as a bonus, we ended up with two (or more) edits of the film and two scores to choose from. Sometimes the replacement score was better, sometimes not.

I like Baxter's score but would love to hear what Roberto Nicolosi wrote for Bava's original version. Has the first score been edited on CD?

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2011 - 4:44 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I like Baxter's score but would love to hear what Roberto Nicolosi wrote for Bava's original version. Has the first score been edited on CD?

Yes it has. Not certain what you mean by "edited" but the Nicolosi score is on CD.
In 2005, the Italian label DigitMovies released 2 scores by Nicolosi for Mario Bava movies on a single disc.

It's still available at SAE:

http://www.screenarchives.com/largeImage.cfm?TID=4459

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2011 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Full Moon   (Member)

Not certain what you mean by "edited" but the Nicolosi score is on CD.
In 2005, the Italian label DigitMovies released 2 scores by Nicolosi for Mario Bava movies on a single disc.

It's still available at SAE:

http://www.screenarchives.com/largeImage.cfm?TID=4459


Thanks, and apologies for my poor english! I meant "published"... ;-) I'll place an order soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)



I've been loving this CD for around 15 years now, however I only just realized that the vinyl LP edition (from a year ago) has many more cues. The 13 tracks on the Digitmovies CD have the music's conductor credited as being Pierluigi Urbini, but SpikeRot Records gives all the credit to Nicolosi.

Has any FSMer gotten this vinyl expansion?

Does anybody know why the C.A.M archives did not have all these selections/sequences available for the 2005 CD program? Were recording sessions discovered afterwards more recently ... or were the master tapes always present but in less-than-good condition? Did both Nicolosi & Urbini conduct sessions on different recording dates?

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I just watched the dubbed Nicolosi version over the weekend. (So with the cut scenes restored, still in English.)

And then listened to the available tracks on Spotify. Which look to be the same as the CD mentioned above.

Quite a lot of music is indeed missing, especially the big piano-concerto-y love theme music. It seemed like it was all music from early in the film only.

But that is the sum total of what I know about this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Anyone in touch with Tom these days? I received an update several months back either on this message board, or in one of the Zoom chats.

 
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