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Wow, this "impending" release definitely fell by the wayside. I get that planned projects fall through or run into problems (the labels have stated before that they hesitate to jump the gun - so to speak - and announce something before it's a for sure thing) but it would be nice if we could get some kind of official word or announcement from Intrada as to what is causing the delay. I would guess it's not good news, considering we are going on...what? 9 years since the announcement?
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Yes,it's begin to be a little annoying.
Imagine how annoying it must be for Intrada! 
I’m sure it’s still coming eventually, judging from the composer names posts Roger was making last year...
Yavar
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I get that planned projects fall through or run into problems (the labels have stated before that they hesitate to jump the gun - so to speak - and announce something before it's a for sure thing) but it would be nice if we could get some kind of official word or announcement from Intrada as to what is causing the delay.
I'll say first that I have zero insider knowledge -- but with thought, everyone should find it obvious that Intrada must be unhappy and frustrated about whatever the CONAN situation is. The label is completely reliant on licensors as their primary partners, right? In announcing the "impending" release so long ago, they plainly never suspected whatever snags have caused this long delay.
But since we also have been told what kind of licensor approvals must be sought (and patiently awaited) for each release, no one should expect a detailed public explanation for whatever the holdup turned out to be. Likely not within the booklet notes (unless it's an unexpected technical issue), and probably not on these forums either. Fingerpointing toward a studio or licensor would only guarantee less future access to other titles. Doing so in advance might kill a release altogether -- and by this point, Intrada must be more eager to see this finally issued than any of its customers would be!
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I get that planned projects fall through or run into problems (the labels have stated before that they hesitate to jump the gun - so to speak - and announce something before it's a for sure thing) but it would be nice if we could get some kind of official word or announcement from Intrada as to what is causing the delay.
I'll say first that I have zero insider knowledge -- but with thought, everyone should find it obvious that Intrada must be unhappy and frustrated about whatever the CONAN situation is. The label is completely reliant on licensors as their primary partners, right? In announcing the "impending" release so long ago, they plainly never suspected whatever snags have caused this long delay.
But since we also have been told what kind of licensor approvals must be sought (and patiently awaited) for each release, no one should expect a detailed public explanation for whatever the holdup turned out to be. Likely not within the booklet notes (unless it's an unexpected technical issue), and probably not on these forums either. Fingerpointing toward a studio or licensor would only guarantee less future access to other titles. Doing so in advance might kill a release altogether -- and by this point, Intrada must be more eager to see this finally issued than any of its customers would be!
I don't necessarily disagree with what you've said but it wouldn't be terribly difficult for an official update from Intrada. They could easily (and delicately) provide an explanation without "finger pointing" or giving the perception of laying blame at someone else's feet.
Do they owe us an explanation? Absolutely not. But I don't think wanting to know the reasons for a 9-year delay is asking for too much, as long as we ask in a polite way.
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I gave up on waiting for Intrada to release this. The re-recording does fine for me. I appreciate the love they have in designing the jackets, linear notes, etc. But it has to sound pretty darn good for me to replace the Tadlow release.
The Tadlow release will be first choice for this score on purely musical terms no matter what and if Intrada releases any original recording, as the original recording is just not that good. The release of the original score will be for those who really have an attachment to the score as it is in the movie and as a historical recording. When it comes to "pretty sound" or listening enjoyment on its own terms, I don't see how that recording could ever "replace" Tadlow's recording.
Basil Poledouris himself did not particularly like the way the original soundtrack recording turned out and it was not anywhere near to his satisfaction.
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I'm hoping we still see a complete release of Destroyer as well. I enjoy the Tadlow release, but there are striking differences in tempo and orchestration that take me right out of it at times. (Were the chopping harpsichord phrases in certain action cues intended to be there from the beginning? There is indeed a harpsichord used in the original recording, but not in those spots, so I can't help wondering if it may have been a minor faux pas. The strings had to be doubled by synths on the original recording. Maybe that keyboard line was transposed to the harpsichord by mistake during the new recording? Those phrases sure double the strings...)
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I'm hoping we still see a complete release of Destroyer as well. I enjoy the Tadlow release, but there are striking differences in tempo and orchestration that take me right out of it at times. (Were the chopping harpsichord phrases in certain action cues intended to be there from the beginning? There is indeed a harpsichord used in the original recording, but not in those spots, so I can't help wondering if it may have been a minor faux pas. The strings had to be doubled by synths on the original recording. Maybe that keyboard line was transposed to the harpsichord by mistake during the new recording? Those phrases sure double the strings...)
Read the notes sometime, they performed the score the way Basil wrote it, not how it ended up being recorded and the conductor used Basil's timings on the scores as his guide.
To Say he didn't like the soundtrack recording would be an understatement. I was in the room when Basil and James Fitzpatrick first discussed re-recording both. scores many years ago.
Ford A. Thaxton
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I don't necessarily disagree with what you've said but it wouldn't be terribly difficult for an official update from Intrada. They could easily (and delicately) provide an explanation without "finger pointing" or giving the perception of laying blame at someone else's feet.
Do they owe us an explanation? Absolutely not. But I don't think wanting to know the reasons for a 9-year delay is asking for too much, as long as we ask in a polite way.
The truth is that we already got an update 2,5 years ago indicating that Intrada has all but finished their "Conan the Destroyer" project. So I'd guess there won't be any further updates and all they and we can do is wait ...
From Roger Feigelson [Nov 15, 2017 - 10:50 PM]
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It's still going through its endless clearance, but packaging and master is all done. As it has been for well over a year!
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[https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=123828]
It must've hit a real legal snag. I can't imagine Intrada putting all of that time and effort and money into it and practically finishing it, only to have to sit on it for this long.
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A legal snag would really stink. I guess the saving grace is it's Universal, who has been playing ball better than anyone these days, so if legal it's likely to be another party.
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It must've hit a real legal snag. I can't imagine Intrada putting all of that time and effort and money into it and practically finishing it, only to have to sit on it for this long.
Whilst I don't know whether they have or haven't, it wouldn't be the first time a label had an in-demand title expanded, remastered and ready to go, only to never be able to release it.
Cheers
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I'm hoping we still see a complete release of Destroyer as well. I enjoy the Tadlow release, but there are striking differences in tempo and orchestration that take me right out of it at times. (Were the chopping harpsichord phrases in certain action cues intended to be there from the beginning? There is indeed a harpsichord used in the original recording, but not in those spots, so I can't help wondering if it may have been a minor faux pas. The strings had to be doubled by synths on the original recording. Maybe that keyboard line was transposed to the harpsichord by mistake during the new recording? Those phrases sure double the strings...)
No real faux pas - Basil's original full-charts were used as source for this one (and simply type-set in Sibelius). But, yes; as with Conan the Barbarian, it appears that significant changes were made on the recording stage (the Tadlow recording just re-instates all the omitted material that was initially composed for the relevant cues)
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I have to say, the CONAN duo represent an exceptional case for making new recordings and preserving the original recordings in home audio formats.
If Basil was dissatisfied with the original recordings, then of course I want to hear what he wanted to achieve, not what he was limited to achieving.
At the same time, we can't help ourselves for falling in love with what we grew up with, no matter how flawed or faulty it may be.
I genuinely play both the Tadlow recording and Intrada release of CONAN THE BARBARIAN, on a 1:1 ratio.
I wouldn't want to be without either.
On the same note, I treasure the new recording of DESTROYER, but I will be very happy as well if I get the chance to own the original recording.
Cheers
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I genuinely play both the Tadlow recording and Intrada release of CONAN THE BARBARIAN, on a 1:1 ratio.
Yes, I think both the Tadlow and the Intrada are excellent releases and I really have and enjoy both, would not part with either one. I think as far as Destroyer is concerned, I am very happy with the Tadlow recording, and even if I were to own the original Destroyer recording, I don't see myself playing that all that often when I have the Tadlow at hand.
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