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Jul 14, 2023 - 6:50 AM
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Thor
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You may be right, David. But I willfully omitted all the bad things about the film, to highlight its virtues -- since it's a film that has been so disparaged over the years. It was NOT as bad as people have made it out to be -- i.e. a turkey of gargantuan proportions that would have warranted no more than 1 star at the most. But where I think you're right is that a film has many "levels" to enjoy, and some of those levels can prove great counterweights. One is technically able to disregard some faults in regards to story, performances, stagings or ludicrous scenarios to immensely enjoy production design, visual design or music (I haven't even touched on the music yet, btw, I have both some good and bad things to say about that).
It's a bit like Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES. Disparaged all over the place, but there are some really wonderful things going on in that film that counterweigh the bad: The effects, the make-up, the set design, the spectacular performances by Roth and Bonham Carter, the score etc. So THE BLACK HOLE would perhaps fall in that category.
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Nick Z - yes, I stole the leeches and ticks line from F. Pohl.  How the hell did that line get past the writer, director, producers, the cast, etc???
Solium / Thor - yes, Jeff Bond is a terrific model kit builder. He built a refit Enterprise for me patterned after the drydock scene in TMP. Amazing work. I strongly recommend hiring him if you want a kit built - Star Trek, Star Wars, Lost in Space, 2001 - you name it. Got to see the Cygnus in his garage when I went to pick up the Enterprise.
Here's a link to a full photo spread of the Enterprise he built for me, including a quick video I cut together of the lighting effects in action:
https://www.facebook.com/john.schuermann.777/posts/pfbid0ZtYEmU1m39f5kAUx7ULx9gfg8fxS61z6w2Jvni4r1PeVeVVA1yvZ48WfzhuvEXUfl
Wow, lucky you! That had to be an awesome experience. Wish I could afford those models much less have a professional build them. I could probably do a decent job on some models myself, a hobby I hope to do one day, but I'll never have the skill to do something like the refit with the intricate painting and wiring it requires.
Nice of you to say, Solium. Yeah, that kit is WAY beyond my modelmaking skillset! I also don't have the patience - it takes most people over a year to properly build that kit. The Aztec paint job alone is beyond most model builder's capabilities (certainly mine). I'm lucky too in that my wife lets me display it in our living room
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Everyone here going on about the run of great SF from the late 70s - have you been watching the "Greatest Geek Year - 1982" documentary on the CW? It's specifically about 1982, BUT it absolutely gets into the late 70s films that led up to all those great releases in '82.
https://www.cwtv.com/shows/greatest-geek-year-ever-1982/
I greatly enjoyed it. Lest we forget, these are a few of the films from '82:
E.T.
STAR TREK WRATH OF KHAN
THE THING
TRON
BLADE RUNNER
POLTERGEIST
CONAN
ROCKY III
AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH
CREEPSHOW
THE DARK CRYSTAL
and of course, MONSIGNOR
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I was so stoked when Intrada announced this. I bought two.
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As I said, I saw it at the theater upon release and thought it was awful. But others say there are worthwhile aspects beyond the music. OK.
The Black Hole came out at the same time as Star Trek, the first one. As such, and I speak as a through and through Barry fan, TBH score was justly overshadowed by the Goldsmith score.
Still, the original album had a few takes on the swirling, churning counterpoint to the long, grim melody--and I always liked that. The Intrada release really brought justified credit to Barry's score, capturing so many wonderful cues left off the original.
I never liked that retrograde Star Wars-type thing that Barry was forced to compose. Even worse, the producers dropped it into the picture here and there and what a bad idea that was.
The rest of the score is marvelous.
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Don't know if anyone posted about this before (probably not), or if anyone watched tonight's Super Bowl, but I was amazed to find out that Kendrick Lamar's "tvoff" contains a sample of this score's "Overture". According to Wikipedia:
"The song contains samples from "MacArthur Park" by Monk Higgins, along with a snippet of horns from "The Black Hole - Overture" composed by John Barry for the soundtrack to the film The Black Hole (1979), and an interpolation from "Kick in the Door" by The Notorious B.I.G."
It might be the first time in history that a John Barry score was sampled for West Coast hip-hop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Off
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Don't know if anyone posted about this before (probably not), or if anyone watched tonight's Super Bowl, but I was amazed to find out that Kendrick Lamar's "tvoff" contains a sample of this score's "Overture". According to Wikipedia:
"The song contains samples from "MacArthur Park" by Monk Higgins, along with a snippet of horns from "The Black Hole - Overture" composed by John Barry for the soundtrack to the film The Black Hole (1979), and an interpolation from "Kick in the Door" by The Notorious B.I.G."
It might be the first time in history that a John Barry score was sampled for West Coast hip-hop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Off
I don't know the classification of the music, but wasn't You Only Live Twice sampled for a popular song?
Yeah, we were watching the game when I heard those horns. I shouted "That's The Black Hole!!!" Nobody cared. But it's nice to know that I was right and it wasn't something that was just close.
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I don't know the classification of the music, but wasn't You Only Live Twice sampled for a popular song?
The swirling strings in the introduction from YOLT were sampled in the song Millennium, sung by Robbie Williams : - )
Thank you. Not West Coast Hip Hop?
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Missed out because I watched the halftime show with my television of mute. Now way I was going to listen to that shite.
Robby Williams was not on during half time. Did I miss something?
Don't know if anyone posted about this before (probably not), or if anyone watched tonight's Super Bowl, but I was amazed to find out that Kendrick Lamar's "tvoff" contains a sample of this score's "Overture". According to Wikipedia:
"The song contains samples from "MacArthur Park" by Monk Higgins, along with a snippet of horns from "The Black Hole - Overture" composed by John Barry for the soundtrack to the film The Black Hole (1979), and an interpolation from "Kick in the Door" by The Notorious B.I.G."
It might be the first time in history that a John Barry score was sampled for West Coast hip-hop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Off
(If someone is loading up the Superman "The Joke" gif, then yes, I missed it. Sorry.)
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Missed out because I watched the halftime show with my television of mute. Now way I was going to listen to that shite.
Robby Williams was not on during half time. Did I miss something?
I thought we were discussing the half time show. Never mind me.
We are. Specifically that a sample of The Black Hole appeared. Then there was a divergent conversation about another song that also sampled John Barry.
But mainly The Black Hole at the Superbowl last night.
Whew. Are we all caught up? 
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and she was quite impressed with my knowledge!
I've never had that reaction from anyone, let alone a wife or girlfriend!
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