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Jul 14, 2023 - 6:50 AM
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Thor
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You may be right, David. But I willfully omitted all the bad things about the film, to highlight its virtues -- since it's a film that has been so disparaged over the years. It was NOT as bad as people have made it out to be -- i.e. a turkey of gargantuan proportions that would have warranted no more than 1 star at the most. But where I think you're right is that a film has many "levels" to enjoy, and some of those levels can prove great counterweights. One is technically able to disregard some faults in regards to story, performances, stagings or ludicrous scenarios to immensely enjoy production design, visual design or music (I haven't even touched on the music yet, btw, I have both some good and bad things to say about that).
It's a bit like Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE APES. Disparaged all over the place, but there are some really wonderful things going on in that film that counterweigh the bad: The effects, the make-up, the set design, the spectacular performances by Roth and Bonham Carter, the score etc. So THE BLACK HOLE would perhaps fall in that category.
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Nick Z - yes, I stole the leeches and ticks line from F. Pohl.  How the hell did that line get past the writer, director, producers, the cast, etc???
Solium / Thor - yes, Jeff Bond is a terrific model kit builder. He built a refit Enterprise for me patterned after the drydock scene in TMP. Amazing work. I strongly recommend hiring him if you want a kit built - Star Trek, Star Wars, Lost in Space, 2001 - you name it. Got to see the Cygnus in his garage when I went to pick up the Enterprise.
Here's a link to a full photo spread of the Enterprise he built for me, including a quick video I cut together of the lighting effects in action:
https://www.facebook.com/john.schuermann.777/posts/pfbid0ZtYEmU1m39f5kAUx7ULx9gfg8fxS61z6w2Jvni4r1PeVeVVA1yvZ48WfzhuvEXUfl
Wow, lucky you! That had to be an awesome experience. Wish I could afford those models much less have a professional build them. I could probably do a decent job on some models myself, a hobby I hope to do one day, but I'll never have the skill to do something like the refit with the intricate painting and wiring it requires.
Nice of you to say, Solium. Yeah, that kit is WAY beyond my modelmaking skillset! I also don't have the patience - it takes most people over a year to properly build that kit. The Aztec paint job alone is beyond most model builder's capabilities (certainly mine). I'm lucky too in that my wife lets me display it in our living room
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Everyone here going on about the run of great SF from the late 70s - have you been watching the "Greatest Geek Year - 1982" documentary on the CW? It's specifically about 1982, BUT it absolutely gets into the late 70s films that led up to all those great releases in '82.
https://www.cwtv.com/shows/greatest-geek-year-ever-1982/
I greatly enjoyed it. Lest we forget, these are a few of the films from '82:
E.T.
STAR TREK WRATH OF KHAN
THE THING
TRON
BLADE RUNNER
POLTERGEIST
CONAN
ROCKY III
AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH
CREEPSHOW
THE DARK CRYSTAL
and of course, MONSIGNOR
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I was so stoked when Intrada announced this. I bought two.
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As I said, I saw it at the theater upon release and thought it was awful. But others say there are worthwhile aspects beyond the music. OK.
The Black Hole came out at the same time as Star Trek, the first one. As such, and I speak as a through and through Barry fan, TBH score was justly overshadowed by the Goldsmith score.
Still, the original album had a few takes on the swirling, churning counterpoint to the long, grim melody--and I always liked that. The Intrada release really brought justified credit to Barry's score, capturing so many wonderful cues left off the original.
I never liked that retrograde Star Wars-type thing that Barry was forced to compose. Even worse, the producers dropped it into the picture here and there and what a bad idea that was.
The rest of the score is marvelous.
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