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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2023 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Just wanted to say that The Map (Alternate) is one of the most delightful minutes of music that just soars.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Just wanted to say that The Map (Alternate) is one of the most delightful minutes of music that just soars.

One of the best "alternates" of all time IMHO. I can see why it was re-written, it's much too "big" for the sequence, he was right to play Kara's uncertainty a little bit more, but it's a glorious minute of music.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 12:23 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I would buy an updated edition of SUPERGIRL. It's not among my Goldsmith favorites, and I tend not to re-buy stuff I already have, but SUPERGIRL is good enough that I would buy a properly prepared 2CD set, as the previous editions left a lot of room for improvement.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

I can't find this anywhere:

https://www.discogs.com/release/13483903-Roy-Budd-Jerry-Goldsmith-Alfred-Newman-John-Williams-Fantasy-Movie-Themes

It has the Supergirl suite, which I'm intrigued to hear.


You can listen to the complete cue on Cinematic Sound Radio's fantastic show here:

https://www.cinematicsound.net/re-recording-goldsmith/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

If I had to pick only five Goldsmith scores to have in my collection, this would be one of them.

I know I asked before but didn't really get a satisfying response. What's the story about some of the cues on the Silva release being demos? Fact or fiction?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

Just wanted to say that The Map (Alternate) is one of the most delightful minutes of music that just soars.

One of the best "alternates" of all time IMHO. I can see why it was re-written, it's much too "big" for the sequence, he was right to play Kara's uncertainty a little bit more, but it's a glorious minute of music.


Right? I can’t imagine being a director and hearing that and having to ask it be dialed down. I agree, it’s too heroic for the scene, but I don’t think I could make that decision. I’d rather change the scene to match the music.

Agreed on it being one of the greatest alternates of all time.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

The three look more like geography teachers

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

AWESOME PIC! Let’s get that printed in the thick booklet for the 3CD.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm a huge Goldsmith fan but every time I try to make it through this score, I find I become distracted. It just doesn't resonate with me no matter how many times I try to give it another chance.


I thought I was the only one! Saying I'm a huge Goldsmith fan would be an understatement, but I really have a hard time getting through this one (and I try every few years).

Luckily, I can content myself with fifty other Goldsmith scores I love, and another fifty that I like.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

The three look more like geography teachers

Who've been awake for 3 days slumped over their desks grading papers, keeping themselves going on caffeine and nicotine alone.

I really have a hard time getting through this one…

What's the hurdle?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

I'm a huge Goldsmith fan but every time I try to make it through this score, I find I become distracted. It just doesn't resonate with me no matter how many times I try to give it another chance.


I thought I was the only one! Saying I'm a huge Goldsmith fan would be an understatement, but I really have a hard time getting through this one (and I try every few years).

Luckily, I can content myself with fifty other Goldsmith scores I love, and another fifty that I like.


I have the same feeling about THE SAND PEBBLES, though listening to the score in its latest release it had grown on me considerably.

I happen to love the SUPERGIRL score and keep hoping for an expansion. I'm fascinated by what Goldsmith added to the film. One could do this with so many of his scores for movies that, um, didn't quite reach their potential (though I do enjoy SUPERGIRL for what it is), but it's instructive to run the scene where the possessed tractor wreaks havoc with the sound turned off, and then again with the music. The way Goldsmith found inspiration to bring this relatively static 'action' scene to life, and make that poky lumbering earth mover assume the aspect of an actual, dire threat, is something tantamount to a miracle ....

And ... Helen Slater -! ;-)

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2023 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'm a huge Goldsmith fan but every time I try to make it through this score, I find I become distracted. It just doesn't resonate with me no matter how many times I try to give it another chance.

doesn't help that Williams' Superman is my all-time favourite score.


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Different strokes for different folks, and all that… in my case, I'm rarely inclined to progress beyond "Fortress of Solitude" on the Superman album because what follows just doesn't hold my attention, whereas I've always been carried along by Goldsmith's dynamic rhythms and sparkling, Ravellian orchestration to the very end, particularly because of the glorious coda that segues into the end titles ("Final Showdow & Victory").


The weird thing is that I'm kinda with both of you (and my bud Schiffy of course)!

Supergirl is a score I've tried multiple times and just always failed to click with. Maybe a definitive new presenation will change my mind... I did eventually come around on Total Recall after the Quartet edition after all, and that score always used to bore me to death (I used to use it to fall asleep in college!)

The weird thing is that when I try a cue or two of Supergirl out of context I can find them impressive on their own, but the score on the whole just doesn't hold my interest; I lose patience with it because it feels so superficial.

I like Superman far better... but I 100% agree that it's a 10/10 perfect score up through "Fortress of Solitude"... and then almost everything after is like Supergirl for me -- surface level, in one ear and out the other. There are exceptions of course like the Flying Sequence and superb love theme arrangement for the end credits, but MAN all that mickey-mousey scoring after "Fortress" just bores me. (I don't really blame Williams because that's what the film itself gave him to work with; it too takes a real dive for me about halfway through, despite a fantastic and iconic performance from Christopher Reeve.)

My favorite score for this franchise is actually Superman IV by Alexander Courage, because it's more consistently engaging all the way through, with great thematic development. It doesn't hold a candle to those first 10 cues by Williams in the original, but it's the only Super score I really ever feel like listening to in its entirety.

I thought I was the only one! Saying I'm a huge Goldsmith fan would be an understatement, but I really have a hard time getting through this one (and I try every few years).

Luckily, I can content myself with fifty other Goldsmith scores I love, and another fifty that I like.


You're not alone Schiffy, but I'm not onboard with your last sentence. For me there are at least 100 Goldsmith scores I love, and another 100 I like...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2023 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Let it be said that both Superman and Supergirl have narrative issues, the latter, of course, more so by some considerable degree. And let also be said that a composer can only smooth the bumps and fill the potholes in a narrative as best they know how given the material and the time allotted them.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2023 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I'm listening to the Silva Screen CD again today (my follow-up after playing "Legend") and I'm still hoping for an improved album release one day. Even on my deluxe sound system, I have to crank up the volume and some of the tracks, like the alternate "Flying Ballet", are of lesser audio quality than the surrounding tracks. And I would love to choose between film and album mixes for my listening enjoyment. Oh well, here's hoping!

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2023 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

An underrated score. Im glad I ended up with both the Varese and Silva CDs. Im told the sound is better on the Varese. Kind of ironic.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2023 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I have the 1993 Silva CD, and that's gonna do me. For my needs, it's more than satisfactory.

 
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