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 Posted:   Nov 5, 2011 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Does anybody know about a supposedly complete version of Jerry Goldsmith's score from "The Chairman" on iTunes, which includes "The Marketplace", which was available only on the "Jerry Goldsmith At 20th Century Fox" box set, but couldn't be included on the Prometheus C.D. because of legal problems? What's even more intriguing is that it's from BuySoundtrax!

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2011 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

It does include "The Marketplace" but it's nowhere near complete--there's a LOT more music in the movie. This appears to be just a combination of the original release with "The Marketplace" added from the Varese Fox box.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2011 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Why can't one of the labels release this score complete with excellent sound? The original masters lost, missing??

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2011 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   teriweigel1   (Member)

...and don't forget the Katie Campbell Song on the Itunes version...

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2011 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I don't think anything exists in stereo besides the album master but the presence of "The Marketplace" in very good mono may indicate that the rest of the score exists in that form.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

I really like this score but the Silva CD sounds pretty horrendous to me (as does the Ransom score that's also on the disc). My LP copies sound well better.
I think the suite on the Fox Box sounds much better too, if my memory serves me.
I'd love Intrada, LaLa or Kritzerland to offer a more complete release with improved sound (mono would be acceptable to me, many of the mono releases I have are more than adequate against the alternative of nothing).

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I really like this score but the Silva CD sounds pretty horrendous to me (as does the Ransom score that's also on the disc). My LP copies sound well better.
I think the suite on the Fox Box sounds much better too, if my memory serves me.
I'd love Intrada, LaLa or Kritzerland to offer a more complete release with improved sound (mono would be acceptable to me, many of the mono releases I have are more than adequate against the alternative of nothing).



The reason so many LP transfers sound muddy is precisely that there's overcompensation for the album noise and hiss. Much better for a company to own up that it's an LP, and then just let everything, bar maybe the more noticeable clicks or womething (!) be kept as in the transfer. It really does produce a far better result if people would just accept the 'noise' as they used to, rather than muddying the thing or limiting.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Any chance now we may get a release of the complete score albiet even if it only exists in mono? The suite on the Varese box sounds quite good. One of my favourite Goldsmiths and one of the very first Goldsmith LPs I purchased back in the day.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Man, the revival of this OLD thread is gonna put some Goldsmith nuggets into meltdown today.
Yavar might just PLOTZ!!

I vaguely recall someone (Intrada?) saying recently that it's a tough one, or unlikely to happen anytime soon.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

The Twilight Time blu-ray seems a good indication of what exists. Apart from one quiet scene in a hotel, where the cue may just sound clean because the sound effects are so minimal, all the previously unreleased music includes sound effects. It's a shame because there are a number of tremendous unreleased cues, including a climactic action cue sandwiched between "Firefight" and "The Fence" near the end of the movie, the final "countdown" cue as Arthur Hill waits til the last second to pull the tape that will detonate the bomb inside Peck's head just as he's making it across the border, and others. There are some incredibly frustrating moments because while the bulk of the dialogue is absent, whenever characters speak Chinese or Russian that dialogue remains, which ruins at least one terrific suspense cue. So unless this music is buried in a box in the U.K. somewhere I would think it's doubtful we'll see any kind of complete release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Haha Kev -- I was already aware of this thread since I'm a big fan of the score and had read all the Chairman threads at FSM which I could find, when I saw that Twilight Time was releasing the film (and I had hopes that the tapes had been located and it might be upcoming on CD from Intrada). Sadly, that turned out not to be the case and clearly the mono source is incomplete (it might not even amount to any more than Varese released in that suite), because the iso score track was music & effects.

Having heard that iso score track, I can confirm that there is some EXCELLENT unreleased music in this score, about half again as much music as was included on the LP program. And I think I know why Tadlow opted not to reconstruct this one by ear -- aside from very intrusive sound effects, there are clear edits in the music where a cue either ends abruptly, starts abruptly, or has a clear cut within it. So I suspect at this point that the complete score really only exists in written form. Luckily, the Academy has sketches for it in their library archives which I just discovered recently! Here's a complete cue list (seems like the album changed a number of cue titles), which also presumably includes everything cut from the film:

http://collections.new.oscars.org/Details/Archive/71302942

1-1 "Main Title," 9 pages
1-2 "Old Times," 1 page
3-1 "Goodbye For Now," 4 pages
3-1a "The City," 4 pages
4-2 "A Late Visitor," 12 pages
4-3 "The Airport," 8 pages
5-1 "The Schools," 5 pages
5-2 "The Red Guard," 5 pages
7-1 "Hathaway's Arrival," 6 pages
7-3 "The Bottle," 4 pages
8-2 "The Students," 9 pages
9-1 "The Laboratory," 13 pages
10-1 "Hathaway's Plans (part 1)," 5 pages
10-1 "Hathaway's Plans (part 2)," 8 pages
10-2 "Hathaway's Flight," 20 pages
11-1 "The Mine," 9 pages
11-2 "The Russians Are Coming," 6 pages
12-1 "Countdown," 4 pages
12-2 "The Bomb," 2 pages
12-3 "End Title," 3 pages
12-3 "End Credits," 2 pages
"The Chairman Love Theme," 4 pages [not in the hand of Jerry Goldsmith]

Now either James Fitzpatrick wasn't aware the Academy had these, or perhaps Fox has something better (full scores/parts?) because I remember that Fox's lack of cooperation in sharing the music in their archives was stated as the main reason that a complete recording of The Chairman wasn't produced for Prometheus by Tadlow.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

The Twilight Time blu-ray seems a good indication of what exists. Apart from one quiet scene in a hotel, where the cue may just sound clean because the sound effects are so minimal, all the previously unreleased music includes sound effects. It's a shame because there are a number of tremendous unreleased cues, including a climactic action cue sandwiched between "Firefight" and "The Fence" near the end of the movie, the final "countdown" cue as Arthur Hill waits til the last second to pull the tape that will detonate the bomb inside Peck's head just as he's making it across the border, and others. There are some incredibly frustrating moments because while the bulk of the dialogue is absent, whenever characters speak Chinese or Russian that dialogue remains, which ruins at least one terrific suspense cue. So unless this music is buried in a box in the U.K. somewhere I would think it's doubtful we'll see any kind of complete release.

So the source for the Fox box was indeed the M&E track. Amazing there was so much fx free.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Where did Jeff say that?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

He didn't!

I may have worded that incorrectly. My Bad.
Im curious if there is an existing mono source (used for the Varese box which maybe incomplete) or just a music and fx track? In which case you would think the main title would be FX free.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I think there is a mono tape source used for the Varese box (containing only one short previously-unreleased cue, The Marketplace), the original stereo album (for which even album masters seem to be lost, so mint stereo LP copies have been used to master the album reissues since then), and finally an M&E track used to fill out those other two sources on the Twilight Time Blu-ray iso score track, which has at least one additional previously-unreleased cue (besides The Marketplace) which had minimal enough effects that it’s basically music-only.

Problem is the biggest highlight unreleased cues all have very intrusive FX, particularly the Chinese speaking which apparently wasn’t counted as “dialogue”.

I think that, as with Under Fire, barring a miracle discovery of the complete score somewhere, a new recording produced from either these sketches in the Academy (Herrick?) library, or the full scores that Fox apparently has but wouldn’t loan to Tadlow, is the best bet for a restoration of this fantastic score.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2019 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Well here's hoping something materialises. Such a great score this. All the percussion amongst the action with a hint of Apes thrown in to some of the cues.

 
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