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 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

This is one of my favorite Williams scores. I actually like all of his americana scores. But although I love The River I have a hard time listening to the horrible Varese CD. The music is so compressed that sometimes you can`t hear the orchestral details. Just a terrible sound. I don`t know if there is much more music in the film. If yes, a complete and most of all remastered edition would be fantastic.

Mike Mattessino where are you?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

I'm on board for this one!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hmm....I think the existing CD sounds fine.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Well, my cd makes some weird noises. I don't know if it's generally like this or it is only my cd..

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

There were things about the way Williams produced it which were kind of different. The main appeal of a re-release for me would be to get one of the best cues of the movie that was left off. There's a montage towards the beginning of the movie where the family is banding together in the face of a big flood. Williams uses 80s style drum loop, combined with rustic colorings and a particularly inspiring version of the main theme. Maybe he left it off because he was embarassed by the pseudo-rock beat. Except that this is the same guy who dabbled in disco and gave us the rock beat for a montage in Spacecamp which he did release to the public. All the more striking because he did include The Tractor Scene. If there's a less interesting piece of Williams music , I'd like to hear it (or maybe I wouldn't but you know what I mean.)

He also made some curious choices with regard to chronological though I don't care so much about that. Usually there is some sort of arc in the programming that mirrors the film even if only the opening cue, finale and end credits. With The River, it was one of the only cases I can think of off hand where the sequencing is completely out of whack. Not that I care, just kind of curious.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's been a long time, so I barely recall the movie, but this is another case where Williams expanded on themes for the album. For instance, the cue "The Pony Ride" (a highlight of the album) is very, very short in the film, maybe only a few seconds.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

Thats's true. The expansion of The Pony Ride for the album was one excellent decision he made and good alternate, if there has to be one, to the cue I was mentioning. Although, you're right, there's about 30 seconds of it in the film if I recall. I love how he uses the resolution of a suspended third to give the right emotional tug of a family banding together. And an interesting coincidence (or temp track perhaps) that Goldsmith did the same thing a year later with Hoosiers with a theme that conveyed a team banding together using the same technique of a melody built around the resolution of a major third.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   afn   (Member)

@OP: I'm with you - or am I?

The bitter irony is that as much as I would find an expanded and sonically improved THE RIVER most interesting I am almost sure I'd find the original CD, bad sounding and short as it may be, more listenable simply because I've grown accustomed to it over the last 25 years. (Same with E.T. or RAIDERS).

Isn't that weird?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Lovely music. The LP sounds fine. Did they degrade things on CD? I'm amazed at that phenomenon, but I guess it happens sometimes.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

@OP: I'm with you - or am I?

The bitter irony is that as much as I would find an expanded and sonically improved THE RIVER most interesting I am almost sure I'd find the original CD, bad sounding and short as it may be, more listenable simply because I've grown accustomed to it over the last 25 years. (Same with E.T. or RAIDERS).

Isn't that weird?


No, where I come from, it's perfectly normal. Williams the album producer rules! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I remember this score came in for a lot of flak in reviews when it came out.
Williams was accused of following up some heavy and dark moments, film and score-wise, with happy/jaunty music that did not sit well with many (re)viewers.
I think there's a scene where Mel Gibson is spat at for crossing a picket-line and the music builds very dark and solemn-like, then, within moments, it's Conrack/Reivers time as sprinkly americana is playing.
I love the MCA album (and CD). I don't recall any faults, sound-wise, but it has been awhile since I played it.
Then again, I don't hear a lot of the 'faults' that get reported around here.
I'm just happy to have the damn music in the first place!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Btw counterpoint, the thread title word should read RESTORATION. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2011 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Btw counterpoint, the thread title word should read RESTORATION. smile


Originally I thought this was about doing a theme restaurant from the film THE RIVER. Then I looked it up. Restauration is French for restoration, so I thought this fellow was Canadian or something.

I WAS going to say HOOK would be much better as a restaurant than it ever was a movie.
And that goes for 1941 too and you can have all that great music in the background!

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Reviving this terribly spelled thread because I just listened to this one for the first time in several years. I hadn't recalled sound problems, but it did strike me as much more pinched than I'd remembered. Certainly not unlistenable, and an improvement over the noisy MCA LP, but still not so hot.

I barely remember the film, though I saw it after I'd bought the album and remember thinking several pieces – most notably "The Pony Ride" – were reworked for album. I do remember that the album was roundly criticized by the soundtrack press (such as it was) at the time. In retrospect, I think this was thanks to some extent to a misstep (for me) in how Williams assembled the album. The first cue is, in fact, the end title, and so the album for this allegedly gritty "save the farm" movie begins with what sounds like forced cheerfulness, an ebullient melody embellished (perhaps too emphatically) with typical Williams orchestral ornamentation. It feels sunny and dishonest. Placed at the end (where it actually goes in the film), it feels cathartic.

I don't recall the film order (and again, some pieces are not really in the film), and I'm not an absolutist about film order presentations, but in this case, Williams plants some melodies that he expands upon later in the score, and yet sometimes on album, the grandiose statements precede the teases.

The drum machine in a few cues places this squarely in the mid-eighties, and that hasn't dated as well as other aspects. Still, a lot to like in this score, and Williams' jazz training is evident throughout. I'm a bit surprised no label has reissued this one, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2017 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Btw counterpoint, the thread title word should read RESTORATION. smile


Originally I thought this was about doing a theme restaurant from the film THE RIVER. Then I looked it up. Restauration is French for restoration, so I thought this fellow was Canadian or something.

I WAS going to say HOOK would be much better as a restaurant than it ever was a movie.
And that goes for 1941 too and you can have all that great music in the background!


I'm Canadian. That's definitely not how we spell it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

Ok...Done Deal...it will be released this year...

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I'm a bit surprised no label has reissued this one, but I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

MV said the rights were a complete mess. So if this one is coming, it's probably taken years to sort out.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I only know the original LP, as I've never seen the movie or owned the CD, but this is a score I'd pick up if it gets re-released. Recently (see thread "last vinyl played") listened to it for the first time in thirty years or so. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I picked this CD up last year, still haven't given it a spin yet. I think it's about time that I did.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I remember this one being the first time I ever felt disappointed in a John Williams soundtrack album (never saw the film). As a kid I fell in love with his music in the era of Jaws and Close Encounters and for quite some time it seemed everything he produced was a new, unparalleled masterpiece. I even loved Monsignor. But this one just didn't catch fire with me.

That said, there is plenty to enjoy. My favorite cue by far is "The Ancestral Home" with its moody, long-phrased theme. I somewhat assume this music was also redone for the album, sounding as it does like a concert arrangement. But it's marvelous music. The rest of the score just seemed a bit forced in its earthy, down-home references. Then again, at this point I hadn't heard much of JW's previous Americana or Western style scores such as Missouri Breaks, Cowboys, Reivers, etc. so that perspective might change how this score comes across.

Glad this thread popped back up, I'm going to give this one a listen, for the first time in many long years.

 
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