Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2019 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

As far as I'm concerned the film suffers from a few fundamental missteps:

1. Vague, one-note antagonists.
2. The white saviour and rote "empowerment" narratives.
3. The (obligatory) heteronormative romance between two actors lacking the required on-screen chemistry.


You do realize the film was (pretty faithfully) based on serialized stories published in a pulp magazine in 1912... right?

#s 2 and 3 are pretty well baked into the narrative of "A Princess of Mars" (the first story), so I'm really not sure what you expected the filmmakers to do to "fix" the source material without making their adaptation something else entirely. As for #1, I thought the antagonists were similarly fine for the sort of story this is. This is a (far) precursor to Star Wars. This is not The Expanse.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2019 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

You do realize the film was (pretty faithfully) based on serialized stories published in a pulp magazine in 1912... right?

Of course. Hardly a good excuse though.

… I'm really not sure what you expected the filmmakers to do to "fix" the source material without making their adaptation something else entirely.

Well, a John Carter was already made in 2009. Remember a little film called Avatar? And Cameron made a swift 2B simply swaddling all that regressive, chauvinistic bullshit of Burroughs's age in a whole lot of New Age blarney and the best kinetic techno-military pr0n money could buy. Audiences, particularly American audiences, have always revelled in watching Jarhead Joes get it on with half naked jungle girls while the world blows up around them.

Maybe John Carter just didn't have enough sex appeal.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Well, a John Carter was already made in 2009. Remember a little film called Avatar? And Cameron made a swift 2B simply swaddling all that regressive, chauvinistic bullshit of Burroughs's age in a whole lot of New Age blarney and the best kinetic techno-military pr0n money could buy. Audiences, particularly American audiences, have always revelled in watching Jarhead Joes get it on with half naked jungle girls while the world blows up around them.

Up your game before you're banned. We could all do with some attempts at wit before the life support is pulled.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Personally...despite it being based on an early science fiction/fantasy work from 1912, I found John Carter to be a far less regressive story, along those lines, than I did Avatar. I think it was largely marketing that made the difference, to be honest. I personally was actively turned off by a lot of the John Carter marketing, from posters to trailers. It just looked...trashy! But when I saw the film I realized it was fairly different from how the trailers made it look. And also, Avatar was A Technological Experience, which drew a lot of people in. But in terms of story and script and characters, I found it far inferior to John Carter.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

Personally...despite it being based on an early science fiction/fantasy work from 1912, I found John Carter to be a far less regressive story, along those lines, than I did Avatar. I think it was largely marketing that made the difference, to be honest. I personally was actively turned off by a lot of the John Carter marketing, from posters to trailers. It just looked...trashy! But when I saw the film I realized it was fairly different from how the trailers made it look. And also, Avatar was A Technological Experience, which drew a lot of people in. But in terms of story and script and characters, I found it far inferior to John Carter.

Yavar


Well said (typed?).

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I don't know why anyone thinks this movie should've done better and I've heard everything from bad marketing to Disney wanted it to fail. If nothing else the film looked average at best.

It's just to dated of a concept. Some guy goes to Mars, breaths the air, can hop hundreds of yards and fight humanoid aliens. Even the most dimwitted person knows how far fetched that is.

The genius of Lucas was taking classic ideas and updating them, then putting them into a fantasy setting, a "galaxy far far away", where there's suspension of disbelief.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

I was excited that this thread got a reboot, hoping it would mean it was being reissued.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2019 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

I was excited that this thread got a reboot, hoping it would mean it was being reissued.

Not yet anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2019 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

One of the best scores there was in recent years in my taste ...Almost as if it was written in in the scoring heydays of the 80ies when _Empire strikes back_The Dark Crystal_Clash of the Titans saw the light of day.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2019 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

I don't know why anyone thinks this movie should've done better and I've heard everything from bad marketing to Disney wanted it to fail. If nothing else the film looked average at best.

It's just to dated of a concept. Some guy goes to Mars, breaths the air, can hop hundreds of yards and fight humanoid aliens. Even the most dimwitted person knows how far fetched that is.

The genius of Lucas was taking classic ideas and updating them, then putting them into a fantasy setting, a "galaxy far far away", where there's suspension of disbelief.


Well, you could certainly steal ideas from various sources and put them into some other form and call it your own intellectual property. Lord knows, Quentin Tarantino has turned it into a cottage industry. On the other hand, you could do what Disney did, which was adapt a classic piece of fiction they actually acquired and try to make it work and be faithful to the source.

Unfortunately, perhaps if the IP was adaptable, it would have been done long before, but the special effects would never have worked back then. By the time the capabilities of SFX caught up to what would be needed to make John Carter work, the potential to suspend disbelief for this story had reached its expiration date. I didn't particularly like the end result but I'm not sure if that's because of what they with the property or whether the source material just couldn't work with today's audience sensibilities. A case could be made in either direction.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2019 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

I was excited that this thread got a reboot, hoping it would mean it was being reissued.

Not yet anyway.


Interesting thread after reading through all of it; points well-taken from all; a time capsule of sorts, with occasional droll humor.

I am in the camp of missing the movie on the big screen (indirect cause being the marketing), renting then buying the Blu-ray, then CD ($12 Amazon) in Nov. 2012. Missed the radio show which played unreleased suites. Alas. Sign me up for the speculative expanded CD and 4K with a stuffed Woola.

But there does appear to be an unanswered question: did SchiffyM ever see the movie, and did he like it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2019 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

This score needs a re-release. I refuse to pay the ridiculous current asking prices.

I'm also irritated that I didn't see the movie until it hit HBO.

I'm Nicolas_DW, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2019 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

This score needs a re-release. I refuse to pay the ridiculous current asking prices.

I'm also irritated that I didn't see the movie until it hit HBO.

I'm Nicolas_DW, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!


Try Captain America THE FIRST AVENGER
$199 cheap!

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2020 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Any chance of a expanded reissue? I'm lucky to have the OOP Disney CD, but I'd imagine there's a ton of unreleased music, and this is one of Giacchino's very best efforts that more should have a chance to own. The movie is slowly creeping up on its 10th anniversary.

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2020 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved...