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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      General Discussion:  The "Dies Irae"     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Jun 27, 2002 - 10:37 PM     By:   Steve H   (Member) Can someone tell me in musical terminology, what this actually is? Is it a Latin verse? The term often seems to be mentioned in regards to scores with religous or horror themes. I've read where Goldsmith referenced it in Poltergiest, Elmer Bernstien has mentioned it before, and the line "Dies Irae" is sung in the Latin text of John Barry's Main Title to The Lion in Winter. Steve    Posted:   Jun 27, 2002 - 10:44 PM     By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member) "Dies Irae" is Latin for "Day of Wrath"; the 18 rhymed stanzas of "Dies Irae" that form part of the Roman Catholic mass for the dead, and requiem mass, are ascribed to Thomas of Celano (d. circa 1256). The plainsong melody version you're inquiring about dates to the 16th Century, and has been used by composers as varied as Hector Berlioz, Camille Saint-Saens, Ralph Vaughan Williams, and Miklos Rozsa in his scores to YOUNG BESS and DIANE.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 3:26 AM     By:   Steve H   (Member) Thanks for the info.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 3:47 AM     By:   thinredline98   (Member) And definetly the most over used piece of music in film history!    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 4:23 AM     By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member) And definetly the most over used piece of music in film history! Ummmm....I think that honor might belong to "Carmina Burana." The "Dies Irae" as a chant has been worked into the fabric of many versatile, well-loved scores by many composers throughout the decades, including Hugo Friedhofer, Rozsa, James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith. The commonly expressed sentiment about this is that "it fascinates" the composers who tackle the essence of the construct within a new piece of music. So, rather than its having been used as a song/theme, its rhythmic structure has been a building block upon which composers have worked out their fascination! It's ghoulish and creepy every time it's use!    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 7:43 AM     By:   Todesmelodie   (Member) Even though the Dies Irae is used a lot I certainly wouldn't call it over used because each time it is used in a different way, with different arrangements (unlike carmina burana) and the underlying concept of the "day of wrath" tends to add to the moments it is used in. Two of my favorite examples: 1) The opening of "The Shining" where the Dies Irae is played with creepy moans setting up the impending horror. 2) The climactic skeleton fight from "Jason And The Argonauts" where Herrmann brings in the Dies Irae as the skeletons rise from the teeth of the Hydra. I even used it myself recently, in a more tongue and cheek way, for a promotional CD for a fighting robot called "Dr. Inferno Jr." (from Comedy Central's "BattleBots")    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 8:14 AM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) The most famoususe of DiesIrae is the last movement of Berlioz Symphnie Fantastique. Good way to learn themelody. Herrmann bases his score to citizen Kane on the Dies Irae (Kanes motif is the Dies Irae - play the melody upside down and it becomes the theme for the sled!)    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 9:46 AM     By:   Jaquandor   (Member) Rachmaninov also used the Dies Irae quite a bit. It turns up in his Paganini Variations and in Isle of the Dead, among other places.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 1:49 PM     By:   jeffy   (Member) My favorite uses of "Dies Irae:" Close Encounters of the Third Kind -- it's used as a theme to denote Roy's obsession with finding the tower The Hunchback of Notre Dame --it's sung in "Bells of Notre Dame" and used in a couple of other places in the score...probably the best use I've heard    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 2:47 PM     By:   Numenorean Music   (Member) One of the best representations of this haunting piece of music is found on a concert piece of YOUNG BESS. The Citadel recording is AWESOME. http://home.earthlink.net/~citadel/release3.htm#77118 I highly recommend picking this album up. It's a great representation of Rozsa's works! Also, Manfredini used it very well in Friday the 13th: Jason Lives. Regards, MV Gerhard    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 4:27 PM     By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member) That same "Fantasy on YOUNG BESS" is also found on "Miklos Rozsa Hollywood Spectacular," Bay Cities BCD 3028. Out-of-print, but there're a lot of copies around.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 4:57 PM     By:   JJH   (Member) Elmer Bernstein uses it in his nifty score for Marie Ward. NP -- Insomnia, Julyan....ironically, I think this album would put most people to sleep; not me, I dig it.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 5:36 PM     By:   devin   (Member) NP -- Insomnia, Julyan....ironically, I think this album would put most people to sleep; not me, I dig it. that's one of the best movies i've seen in a long time. and the score works wonderfully in it. in my opinion, anyways...    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 5:47 PM     By:   James Phillips   (Member) My favorite use of the Dies Irae is by John Barry in THE LION IN WINTER.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 6:11 PM     By:   jeffy   (Member) How could I be so stupid! Dies Irae was part of the Requiem Mass that was rumored to have been written by Mozart just before his death. Watch the slightly fictional movie Amadeus and you'll hear it it its splendor. Can't believe I didn't think of that first. One of the greatest films of all time.    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 6:29 PM     By:   berlioz_1   (Member) The most awesome Dies Irae I have ever heard is from Verdi's Requeim. Get only the Gardiner/Philips version (in print). This is a demonstration level disc and if you have even a so-so decent sound system. I GUARANTEE you that the sonic experience will be blow you away, and probably some of the loose putty on the walls!! (The Tuba Mirum right after that is even more stupendous!)    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 7:41 PM     By:   JeffBond   (Member) Just to plug our own product, let's not forget Hugo Friedhofer's blasting main title to Between Heaven and Hell. This was just put out on DVD and it makes great use of the Dies Irae...    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 7:54 PM     By:   Todesmelodie   (Member) I agree that the Dies Irae from the Verdi and Mozart requiems are fantastic, but it should be noted that they aren't based on the traditional melody that goes back to gregorian chant, but just the text. Oh, and Berlioz1, again, I agree about the Verdi requiem being incredible, BUT are you sure that the Dies Irae in the Berlioz Requiem isn't "the most awesome"?    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 8:27 PM     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member) The plainsong melody version you're inquiring about dates to the 16th Century, and has been used by composers as varied as Hector Berlioz, Camille Saint-Saens, Ralph Vaughan Williams, and Miklos Rozsa in his scores to YOUNG BESS and DIANE. Hmmm. Most plainsong is much older than the 16th century. Might not this tune go farther back? Rozsa also made fleeting reference in EL CID. But where did RVW use it? Once again (because some folks are obviously still confused): some composers (e.g., of requiems) have used the text but not the tune. Others have used the tune but not the text. And some, like Benjamin Britten, have used the just the title without either text or tune!    Posted:   Jun 28, 2002 - 11:45 PM     By:   Steve H   (Member) I'm still a bit hazy on this. Would I be right in assuming that the melody Leonard Rosenmen uses in his title music to The Car is in fact the "Dies Irae" if somewhat altered?     General Discussion:  The "Dies Irae"    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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