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 Posted:   Aug 18, 2002 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The players decision to set a strike date, now two weeks away, represents how these greedy, self-indulgent people will forever be clueless when it comes to understanding the damage they do to the game by thinking they're still just like a "union" that represents underpaid factory workers.

The irony is that I have no sympathy at all for the perspective of the hardcore small market owners who have been trying to cover up their own incompetence in terms of running their ballclubs (Milwaukee, Kansas City, Colorado etc.) by suggesting that everything is the fault of the Yankees and George Steinbrenner when in point of fact the Yankees have never once raised the bar to absurd heights in salaries, ala the A-Rod and Kevin Brown contracts. Now, in order to cover up the incompetent decision making these teams have made, they want to have the Yankees and paying Yankee fans bail them out, with no promise that these luxury tax revenues will go toward increasing payroll and giving them the ability to "compete" (this is another canard I'm tired of hearing about. There are more than 12 teams in baseball with a shot at winning a World Series each year which is a lot more than I can say for the NBA where dynasties never attract any outrage from sportswriters, who I guess only hate dynasties if they're the New York Yankees).

That being the case, the players still have no right to sabotage a season in progress that millions of fans have already invested much of their spare time in to follow. If the players feel the need to use the lame tactic of a strike as a weapon, it should be in the context of refusing to play next season and not sabotaging post-season for a year that millions of fans have already invested their time in. Players never seem to realize that its the fans who make 1/100th at best of what they make who sacrifice their time to follow the games, and without them these pampered players would be nowhere. Their selfish behavior in 1994 killed off baseball in Montreal for good as a viable entity and if it happens this year, good bye Minnesota.

I am one of those fans who love the history and tradition of the game too much to ever give it up, and I have always had a knack for forgetting about the off the field crap when a game goes on, but I wouldn't blame anyone for quitting the game for good as a fan if this strike happens as I think it will. The ultimate disgrace is the thought of these pampered crybabies on strike on the first anniversary of 9/11.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2002 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   E. Thrall   (Member)

Totally agree with your reasoning..........Though I am not a fan, I certainly support the fans in "putting a bullet in this dead horse!"

Unions were a necessary evil several decades ago.......but having once been threatened to "have my legs broken" by a union rep. in 1968, I have since considered them all to inherently evil.....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2002 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I don't know the full details, Eric, but I usually agree with you. I'm sure I would in this case, too.

However, I'd argue that the last thing on the players' minds is long-term best interest.

By doing what they're doing, they're causing more harm to themselves than good. The fans think that the players are acting like "cry-babies," which can't help the players' reputations....

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2002 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

How much money these guys make, and how much the fans want to see them earn it, is irrelevant. The point is, they're free citizens or full- or part-time residents of the U.S., and therefore have the inalienable right to unionize and strike.

People will not hurl themselves from the Brooklyn Bridge because they've been denied a chance to watch the Suicide Squeeze.

Babies will not go without their formula or a "luxury-tax" formula.

Industry will not grind to halt for lack of fuel or on-field competition.

Planes will not wander the skies, aimless flying Dutchmen, their passengers imperiled for lack of enforcement of the Infield-fly Rule.

C'mon, Jake, it's...baseball.

Besides, if a strike's what it takes to keep the Yankees out of the World Series, I'm all for it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2002 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Actually, Met fans only want a strike now because they see it as their Dr. Kevorkian salvation. smile

Baseball's integral part with American culture for more than a century now, makes it imperative that the game continue to play as we approach the anniversary of 9/11, when for so many the painful memories will be reawakened, and we then find that unlike last year when baseball magnificently filled the role of aiding the healing process, culminating in a classic World Series. For the players to not be cognizant of that need for baseball now this season, and to fall back on the boring cliches of how somehow "everything we've won since Curt Flood is at stake" reveals how permanently isolated they are in their pampered indulgent worlds.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2002 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Where's Anzaldiman when you need him....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2002 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Anybody heard from Anzaldiman lately? Haven’t seen him on the board. Hope
all is okay with Jim. We miss you.

I finally purchased my first Mariner tickets, and hubby and I have planned a great weekend
in Seattle. Date of possible strike? Aug. 30. Date of tickets? Aug. 31.
#$%^&7*@#$. Is there a word that means BEYOND GREED?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2002 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Anybody heard from Anzaldiman lately? Haven’t seen him on the board. Hope
all is okay with Jim. We miss you.

I finally purchased my first Mariner tickets, and hubby and I have planned a great weekend
in Seattle. Date of possible strike? Aug. 30. Date of tickets? Aug. 31.
#$%^&7*@#$. Is there a word that means BEYOND GREED?


Joan, Jim's not communicating lately, and I hope it's because his computer is down and not his body or spirit.

Maybe Truly Gorgeoussss Ed has heard?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2002 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Bill Smith   (Member)

How much money these guys make, and how much the fans want to see them earn it, is irrelevant. The point is, they're free citizens or full- or part-time residents of the U.S., and therefore have the inalienable right to unionize and strike.

Oh, I'll agree it's their American right to do so. But it's also out American rights to put them out of business by not going to a single game if they choose to exercise their rights in such a way, when you consider the benefits they enjoy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2002 - 11:47 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Anzaldiman's absence is surprising and I hope he'll be back among us soon.

Now the San Diego owner becomes the latest to say something idiotic when he says he'd welcome a year's shutdown to get what he wants. My response to owners like him is that if he's losing this much money supposedly, then why did he buy the team in the first place?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2002 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Ed Kattak   (Member)

I must tell you all this.

ANZALDIMAN left me one of his classic messages on my answering machine the other day. I only wish I had my other computer up and running and I'd edit it down and send it as a sample to everyone.

ANZALDIMAN has been going through some tough issues right now and needs just a little space to think and figure things out. I left him a messgae just a little while ago to let him know that I am in the same boat as he is. And that if he wanted to to talk, then I could sure use it. I have been away for mainly similar reasons. I'm sorry I cannot go into the details right now because I want to respect ANZALDIMAN'S space and privacy. I'm sure that his computer is working (cause I set it up and gave it to him) smile.

I think there are many issues to think about during this time. The baseball strike is suicide and I think that the players timing is just plain reprehensible. Couldnt they wait?

In a way, I hope Major League Baseball fails and is somehow reborn under the guise of something more akin to the way it was long ago.

When it was a game.....


Truly Gau Jus
Ed

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2002 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Thanks for the news about Anzaldiman, Ed. I'm stepping back...

 
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