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 Posted:   Aug 30, 2002 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I mean, seriously, I can't even remember ONCE when that has been a topic...and I've been here since the beginning in 1997. Not really surprising, though, since we're mostly Westerners on a US-based board and since - to tell you the truth - 90% of the films are crap (how can they NOT be considering how many films are produced each year). But there are some excellent films as well, and what more appropriate time to talk about this than now, with LAGAAN being Oscar-nominated and all.

And it just so happens that I saw this one yesterday. What a film! Although it - being one of the most expensive films in Bollywood's history - is obviously produced to cater to American and Western audiences, there were plenty of typical traits - such as the many musical numbers that are apparently not sung by the characters, but rather "mimed".

The film is a whopping four hours long and tells the story of a few native villagers that enter into a cricket competition with the British military, stationed in the region. If they lose, they'll have to pay triple "lagaan" (taxes). If they win: no lagaan for the next three years. It's really a typical "sports" movie about the underdog fighting for its rights. So of course it's gonna resonate neatly with Americans.

4 hours about cricket in India might sound dull, but it's actually very entertaining and has lots of good humour. Visually dazzling as well. A couple of moments are a little "awkward" and border on clichée, but different conventions will have to take some of the blame.

The music - by A.R. Rahman - is absolutely fantastic! The underscore is lush and heroic - mixing Western and arabic harmonies. Same goes for the songs. From heart-breaking to the stupendous "training montage" song ("ROCKY tandoori"). I'm not sure if Rahman utilized an orchestra or if the music is sampled, but it SOUNDS real (most probably, he mixed the two). And the funky ethnic grooves are catchy. I want the soundtrack.

Has anyone else seen this one? If not, you should. Also, can anyone recommend any OTHER Bollywood films or film music?


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2002 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   jeffy   (Member)

Perfect timing for this topic; I just wrote a review of it:

[url]www.abqtrib.com/archives/diversions02/083002_diversions_lagaan.shtml[/url]

Absolutely loved this film. The soundtrack only has the songs and, I think, a suite of some of the score. I would like to hear a lot of the underscore, because that music is justas good, if not better, than the song melodies.

I've only seen three other Bollywood films, and I enjoyed the music in those as well. It's highly doubtful the soundtracks have reached American shores.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2002 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Logied   (Member)

Bollywood has been well represented on the lp
auction on ebay for sometime and sell well. As
a matter of fact, foreign soundtracks in general sell for more money than american scores but are listed far less. Cd,s also show up but I have yet to add one to my score collection because I just don,t know what I,m buying so have been looking for a compilation
album to start with. I,ve missed a couple but
one will show up someday.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2002 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

THOR!!

I live in between Bollywood and Lollywood- Pakistan self claimed cinerama centre.

I remember pointing out the music of A. R Rahman. You should equally go and check out his score and the film for BOMBAY. This was a love story set amidst the violent religious riots between Hindu and Muslims shot in 1994 (cant rememeber the exact date of release).

His Bombay theme is lush and epic extemely melodic in nature.

A.R. Rahman is the Jerry Goldsmith of Indian cinema-His latest collaboration with Andrew Loyd Webber is being critcally acclaimed.

he also collaborated with the late Pakistani wonder "Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan"

As for more Indian cinema you can find the epic and classic film: PAKEEZA the story of the dancing girls of Dehli.Its also a gorgeous lyrical and classical based score and the songs are jsu aamzing to listen to onscreen!

Today if you were a film music buff and loved hindi film music and lived in either India or Pakistan you would be in soundtrack heaven. I meqan every film released has a soundtrack album which the entire population consumers as entertainment-You have television movie shows, film music concerts, film music videos ala MTV, Film music quiz programes, etc etc.

You get the picture!

If only if it was the otherway round for film music scores of Hollywood-we would nver be a minority.

Hindi film music and cinema is a GIANT here.

By the way I would recommend JINNAH. Its about he creation of my country Pakistan.As you may know Pakistan was founded after its
broke of from India in 1947. We were under the rule of Bristish Empire and both India and Pakistan were fighting for Independence. The muslim majority became Pakistan and Hindu majority became India.The man who
brought us Independence was Mohammad Ali Jinnah. A barrister who fought for our rights and is the founding father of my country. This subject
was focused in detail in Richard Attenborough's Osacr winning GANDHI.
But tragiclly, the Subject of Pakistan and Mr. Jinnah was played down unfairly and biased. Jinnah was portrayed as the antagonist in this
film. There were so many inaccuracies in that film.

Anyway to correct this a team of highly creative people went to work on the proper film about Pakistan and Syed Akar Khan and Mr. Dehlvi made
this spectacular film about Jinnah. Its more of a biography of the life and times of Mr. Jinnah. It has a great cast Indira Verma-from Kama
Sutra fame,James Fox. and get this....
......CHRISTOPHER LEE as the man Jinnah himself. Ina superb bit of casting Lee stars as the man himself. Lee has an incredible resemblence
to the founder of our country.

The film is so movingly told without any
biases and its an intelligent script. Not very epic but a very intimate film.unfortunately This film didnt get much exposure as we hoped. It was
basically not very well funded and its production had problems.

A lot of people had initially criticised at the casting of Christopher Lee because of his Dracula image.But it was all wrong as we could see later on Lee made the performance of his life.His performance was riveting.

You must check it out and see it. I cannot not recommend this enough!

Ths score was composed by Nigel Clarke and not yet released on cd as far as I know.

Hope this information suffices for now.

regards
Amer Zahid

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2002 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hey jeffy, nice review!

Amer,

***I live in between Bollywood and Lollywood- Pakistan self claimed cinerama centre.***

Yeah, I know about Lollywood. Haven't seen many of the films, but I know of its existence.

***I remember pointing out the music of A. R Rahman. You should equally go and check out his score and the film for BOMBAY.***

Thanks, I'll do that. I've heard about BOMBAY, and remember wanting to see it awhile back.

***A.R. Rahman is the Jerry Goldsmith of Indian cinema-His latest collaboration with Andrew Loyd Webber is being critcally acclaimed.***

What collaboration is that?

***he also collaborated with the late Pakistani wonder "Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan"***

Did Nusrat pass away recently? Wow, I didn't know that. Sorry to hear that. I've heard some of his performances, including the tracks on the GHOST AND THE DARKNESS CD. Beyond him, though, there are only so many Indian/Pakistani artists I've heard of. Ravi Shankar, of course, but he's well-known throughout the western world.

***Today if you were a film music buff and loved hindi film music and lived in either India or Pakistan you would be in soundtrack heaven.***

Yeah, I can only imagine, since Norway is basically soundtrack hell. But all the more power to you. Do you think film music's popularity over there has a lot to do with SONGS and not so much the underscore?

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll keep my eyes open (since there are a lot of pakistani shops in Oslo, I will ask for the CD's that you talk about).

Best,

TJ

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2002 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Hey Thor

Goodluck on your cd hunt.

See if you can spot JINNAH the movie. It will be riveting experience.


Ravi Shankar is Indian. Another Pakistani vocalist who died recently was 'Noor Jehan' who was an actress in early Bollywood and became a legendary playback singer who was equally admired by the Current living legend from India i.e. Lata Mangaeshkar.NoorJehan was given the title of Malka-e-Taranum.-The Queen of Melody!

Unfortunately Nusrat Fateh Died tragically while at the peak of his stardom in 1997. As aptly said by Noor Jehan at his passing "Such musicians appear in 100 years! and she was right.

Nusrat Fateh's real film collaboration came with Peter Gabriel on his soundtrack for Last Temptation of Christ during the Crucifixtion scene, he also collaborated with Pearl Jam on Dead Man Walking.-Thatone was very cool. He also composed the music for Shekhar (Elizabeth) Kapoors ;Bandit Queen.

And there were many collaborations planned before his untimely death.

I dont know how original his collaboration was on Ghost and The Darkness, many films used his music for mood setting etc-e.g: that violent Oliver Stone film whose name I cant remmber right now.

well, goodluck on your hunt for Bombay,you should also check out ZUBEDIDA, RANGEELA... all featuring A.R. Rehmans fabulous music. Also another film called EARTH, which was 3rd film after FIRE & WATER

All Indian & Pakistani film music is bascially more popular for the fabulous extravagnaza songs and dance-Thats perfect family entertainment- a must have-However you do get to see serious ART films as they are called.


take care
Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2002 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I know there are several art films as well. People just don't get to see these very often.

By the way, I just LOVED the girl who played Aamir Khan's Indian love interest. She charmed me to death! What's her name again? I guess all of these are huge stars over there?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2002 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I caught Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India myself not too long ago, when I still lived in Gainesville; I meant to post on it myself but never got around to it. I loved it as well - somehow it takes a narrative cliché (bunch of misfits of differing temperaments and skill sets band together to overcome a formidable adversary) and makes it fresher than I've seen in a long, long time, and makes it move right along despite being twice the length of most other movies. And Aamir Khan is a bona fide old-style movie star if ever there were one - just one of those people who has immense chemistry with the camera itself, it seems. And Gracy Singh (the one you were asking about, Thor?) is just delightful.

Considering how many movies get made in this part of the world it's truly sad so few of them make it to Western audiences. Of course cultural barriers always temper the accessibility of foreign films in any venue, but it appears the availability of Indian cinema (at least to the US; I don't know about Europe, etc.) is particularly bad when compared to, say, European or Japanese cinema finding audiences in the U.S. Lagaan is very unusual in getting a U.S. release; it's such a universally accessible story, of course, which helps.

I'm looking forward to picking up the DVD, though in my current financial state I'm not sure when that will be. I definitely want the soundtrack as well, of course - the only question is, which? Just looking at Amazon.com yields a couple different albums of Lagaan music, and I can't tell which would be the more desirable.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2005 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   crimedog   (Member)

Bumping this thread, per Thor's request.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2005 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

At least it's on-topic and deals with the music in the films!

big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2005 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

At least it's on-topic and deals with the music in the films!

big grin


Ron, since you're in the SF Bay Area (boy, do I miss it!), you should check out some of these films sometime at the Naz 8 Cinemas in Fremont, if you haven't already. (www.naz8.com)

Also, in the "Bride and Prejudice" thread, I mention some of my favorite Bollywood films:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=29115&forumID=1

-- Jon

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2005 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The latest Film from the producer and star of LAGAAN is MANGAL PANDAY: THE UPRISING. The story is set around the muntiny of 1857 against the British Raj and it stars Amir Khan.

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2005 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Speaking of Lollywood, Amer, there's a Norwegian-Pakistani film director named Khalid Hussain who recently did a film called IMPORT EXPORT over here. It starred one of Pakistan's biggest film stars, Talat Hussain. Are you familiar with him?

NP: BRAVEHEART (Horner)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2005 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

Shouldn't the title be "for singing out loud" ?.

I just find it a bit Jarring that even serious films have song sequences; I know its cultural, but there you go.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2005 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Speaking of Lollywood, Amer, there's a Norwegian-Pakistani film director named Khalid Hussain who recently did a film called IMPORT EXPORT over here. It starred one of Pakistan's biggest film stars, Talat Hussain. Are you familiar with him?

NP: BRAVEHEART (Horner)


Yes Thor, Talat Hussain is one of Pakistan Television and film's greatest actor. He was also in the Epic JINNAH which starred Chistopher Lee. I havent seen this film as of yet!

Amer wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2006 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hey Amer, I'm going to have a seminar on Bollywood, but I don't know which film I'm going to screen for my students. LAGAAN is much too long. Have any recommendations? (it has to include all the classic Bollywood elements).

I need a reply pretty quickly, because I'm sending out the term plan on Friday, at the latest.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2006 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Ellen   (Member)

If I may interject...

You'd be hard pressed to find a classic Bollywood production less than 3 hours long. The only recent one I know of is Parineeta, and it doesn't have really the typical song-and-dance numbers.

You might be better off playing excerpts from some recent hits:

Kal Ho Naa Ho (there is a sweet song/dance number set on the streets of Manhattan - several, in fact)

Dil Chahta Hai (first dance number, in the disco; or, try the "Bollywood spoof" number about midway through, which gives a concise history of Bollywood genres in under 5 minutes!)

Devdas - 1992 version (big dance number with Aishwarya Rai and Madhuri Dixit, about 3/4 way through - one of the best Bolly numbers you'll ever see)

If you must play an entire film with all the usual musical and dramatic elements, I would suggest Kal Ho Naa Ho.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2006 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

Went absolutely ape for A.R. Rahman all
through 2005!!! Started with Lagaan - and
now over 40 CD's later...got most of them
through the internet but also by visiting
'Little India' in (east) Toronto...
Rahman's gift for endless beautiful melody
rivals Tiomkin's...my favourites are
'Swades' and 'Meenaxi'.
Looking forward to what he does with 'Lord
of the Rings' stage musical and to see him
on tour - apparently that's unbelievable!

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2006 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Hey Amer, I'm going to have a seminar on Bollywood, but I don't know which film I'm going to screen for my students. LAGAAN is much too long. Have any recommendations? (it has to include all the classic Bollywood elements).

I need a reply pretty quickly, because I'm sending out the term plan on Friday, at the latest.



DEVDAS get this recently released epic on DVD which Stars SHAHRUKH KHAN, JACKY SCHROFF & ASHWARIYA RAI (Yes!) and MADHURI DIXIT. This one is epic. Here's the link to a review:
http://movies.indiainfo.com/reviews/devdas.html


Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2006 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

DEVDAS get this recently released epic on DVD which Stars SHAHRUKH KHAN, JACKY SCHROFF & ASHWARIYA RAI (Yes!) and MADHURI DIXIT. This one is epic. Here's the link to a review:
http://movies.indiainfo.com/reviews/devdas.html


Amer


Yes, seems like a cool film. Only problem is it lasts three hours.

I think I may be going for BOMBAY, which you previously talked about in this thread, Amer. It "only" lasts two hours.

 
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