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Dec 2, 2003 - 3:05 PM
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***What did you think of the mix of the score in the film?***
I don't know. I haven't seen it.
***rather the movie's producer and Estevez?) were after were Faltermeyer-ish. Especially the desired layering effect***
Well, they might have been after a sound that Faltermeyer helped define in the 80's, and so the main theme in particular reflects that, but overall I think the score has more in common with the synth work that Danny did with Oingo Boingo at the time.
***as usually when using an orchestra he gets a Shirley Walker or Bill Ross to do a lot of things for him.***
Not a lot of things. They conduct. And Steve Bartek usually gets VERY DETAILED sketches to orchestrate. The prejudice that Elfman doesn't compose his own music is long since passé and has been proven many times to be untrue.
***as for POTA, I thought the score was pretty poor, and a vain, novice, lightweight approach to dealing with modern tribal percussion.***
Well, that's your opinion, and I respect that. But I don't agree with it, of course. I found it to be anything but lightweight, and layered in such a "thick" and powerful fashion that there's pleasure to be gained upon repeated listenings. And the dialectic between acoustic and electronic perc is absolutely breathtaking. I also happen to like Oakenfold's more straight-forward remix at the end.
MEN IN BLACK (1 and 2), MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, PROOF OF LIFE and parts of SPIDERMAN and HULK are other scores that utilize complex electronic textures and drum loops. Maybe FREEWAY as well.
But you won't find anything like WISDOM in his resume. It's quite unique. Perhaps if you checked out some of the Boingo work from the 80's.
***Is Danny scoring Big Fish for Burton?***
Yes. The album is due December 23.
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I just got a CDR that featured Elfman's Wisdom Theme. I have to admit that I have never understood the music of Elfman - but this theme is cool indeed.
A bit like Faltermeyer yes, but not entirely. I think it sounded a bit more like Silvestri's synth-efforts from around the same time.
So this was the *only* synth-score he eve did?
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This is my least favorite Elfman score.
Ryan
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Oct 8, 2009 - 12:54 PM
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Thor
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OK, so one of my longest film quests ended today, as I was finally able to find a shoddy-looking VHS copy of this film that skipped in the last 20 minutes and that had Chinese subtitles. But that's all I could find.
First of all, it's a REALLY good film, directed by Estevez himself (oh, and a small cameo by brother Charlie too!). It's BONNIE & CLYDE meets ROBIN HOOD or some such thing. Or perhaps a better precedent would be BADLANDS, starring Estevez' father.
The segue from disillusioned convict being alienated from society into well-meaning criminal that is in way over his head is made believable. Demi Moore's portrayal of a girl that is at the wrong place at the wrong time - but who loves her boyfriend so much that she just has to tag along - is well-executed too. Not to mention the genuine worry by the parents, played by ALIEN co-stars Tom Skerrit and Veronica Cartwright.
It's certainly a mystery to me why this film was never released on DVD.
So...Elfman's score. It's an absolutely fantastic effort, one of my favourites of his. I've always loved the album, but it was great to see it work in context too. I would say it has more in common with Tangerine Dream than Faltermeyer. In any case, it's totally unlike anything Elfman has done before or since (except maybe some Oingo Boingo stuff).
The catchy main titles give associations to the opening of RISKY BUSINESS, only this isn't so tongue-in-cheek. The highlights of the score are placed over montages of Wisdom preparing to rob banks or the chase scenes with FBI in pursuit. In many ways, the percussive loops and forward thrust foreshadow the Phillipp Glass-ian mode Elfman has explored in recent years. Only in a purely electronic idiom.
I was also surprised to hear many cool pieces that aren't on the soundtrack such as the moody chords for our introduction to Moore's character and then especially the twangy guitar stuff, which isn't as ominous as the selections on the album.
Don't get me wrong...I think the existing album works fine and doesn't really need any more additions. But would I condone an expanded release if some of that guitar stuff was included? You betcha. Yeah, you heard that right. Thor condoning an expanded release. Doesn't happen often.
In any case, it's a film worth checking out for anyone interested in quality 80's films, low budget, but well-written and acted.
(Oh, and Oingo Boingo's song "Home Again" plays over the end credits, a song that is stylistically in line with the rest of the score).
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