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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Matt: Re: "... there's no one to blame but yourself."

Yes, I was expecting that, and I've been kicking myself for the past couple of hours for NOT sampling it. There was such a uniformity to the praise in the post we both cited and with no naysayers that I did something I had learned NOT to do: Buy a full priced soundtrack without hearing it. I did the same in the case of the Legrand "Atlantic City," although in that case there wasn't the praise, because nobody had apparently actually heard the soundtrack. But this time they had (and there WERE samples just waiting to be heard!), so I hope it has taught me a lesson I'll not forgot.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Dorian   (Member)

Sorry, Greg--I didn't notice your post asking about Ron's copy before I did. Obviously I acknowledge it is fair that you do the trade---not only by the priority of the post but even more so given that you're also located in the U. S. as he is (and I am not). Good luck with working out the trade!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Gold Digger: Re: Next time listen to the samples on the website before buying. I would also not jump on a score based on hype from someone. Research the score first. Read about the film. You should have had a clear understanding of the score before buying. I enjoy Sebastian and I am very happy that Intrada produced such a high quality CD but I class the score as a minor effort in the Goldsmith canon. Even Goldsmith himself thought little of it. That said your post is over the top.

This one slipped past me. I just wanted to make a point, although it did worry me that I might be cutting off my nose to smite my face in that I'd no longer get the great service I always get from Intrada (it was OOP and I bought it elsewhere). So I didn't want to offend them, and if I was truly "over the top," I regret that. Frankly, I LOVE Intrada.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Greg: Re: Since I did ask first, what do you want for it? smile

I can check and see what trade items I have on hand.

Greg Espinoza


It's funny. If someone had knocked on my door 2 hours ago and handed me $5, I probably would have handed them "Sebastian"! But since there ARE people who want it, I guess I should try to make it near what I paid, OR trade it for something that I know I'll like. As I wrote above, I've never sold anything (nor, for that matter, traded anything), so let's see if we can do a simple trade, although, in my case, if I want it, I've usually already bought it. See what I've posted for favorites to get a sense of what I like. Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

With apologies to Intrada (and I've repeatedly given top marks to other of their usually wonderful releases), but what were they thinking?

They were thinking it was a wonderful, wonderful score and a joy to listen to, which also happens to be what I think.

But you don't.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Ha, get off the fence Ron & tell us what you really think smile

I love it, it's my favourite release of last year, but music is so personal, a lot of what's really popular here leaves me cold.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

SchiffyM:

This has been a wake-up call for me, even though I've long known that I love music that others hate and I hate music that others love. But listening to that soundtrack today, it was hard for me to believe that ANYONE could actually love it.

I went and deleted the "BUYER BEWARE" part of my posting, which was over the top and unnecessary. Looks like I'm NOT going to be stuck with it! Take care.

And thanks, CinemaScope!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Greg: Re: Since I did ask first, what do you want for it? smile

I can check and see what trade items I have on hand.

Greg Espinoza


It's funny. If someone had knocked on my door 2 hours ago and handed me $5, I probably would have handed them "Sebastian"! But since there ARE people who want it, I guess I should try to make it near what I paid, OR trade it for something that I know I'll like. As I wrote above, I've never sold anything (nor, for that matter, traded anything), so let's see if we can do a simple trade, although, in my case, if I want it, I've usually already bought it. See what I've posted for favorites to get a sense of what I like. Thanks.


Ron: My e-mail is in my profile. Please send me a message and we can negotiate. smile

I also have a trading post listing of items for sale. Please check that out and see if I have anything you might be interested in. smile

Cheers,

Greg

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Sorry, Greg--I didn't notice your post asking about Ron's copy before I did. Obviously I acknowledge it is fair that you do the trade---not only by the priority of the post but even more so given that you're also located in the U. S. as he is (and I am not). Good luck with working out the trade!

No problem, Dorian. thanks. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Like everyone else, Ron, I'm sorry you don't like it. But one thing is, er, you've piqued my curiosity as to exactly what it is about Sebastian you don't like.

I'm guessing it's got something to do with 'punched card' sound effects, or something similar? Could you just relate what it is about the score that leaves you cold?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Grecchus:

It seemed aimless and I never got a sense of real melody that I wished to hear again. I repeatedly felt exasperated with it, wishing it would pick up and go somewhere I wanted it to go, but it didn't. Honestly, it's a feeling I rarely have while listening to soundtracks, and I've been startled by how much it is liked and even loved by others. Of course I usually have a pretty good idea of what to expect when I buy a soundtrack, and have conceded that I dropped the ball in not sampling it, and wasn't expecting to react to it as I did. I do wish that I had pulled out a pad and scribbled a few notes while playing it, so I have little to explain or justify my negative reaction to it. Sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   miguel   (Member)

Well, if you think it's unlistenable, Mr Hardcastle, just don't listen to it. I was going to add "and spare us all this negative gushing", but I understand you're entitled to give your opinion, and we all may have a bad day. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

miguel: Well, if you think it's unlistenable, Mr Hardcastle, just don't listen to it. I was going to add "and spare us all this negative gushing", but I understand you're entitled to give your opinion, and we all may have a bad day. smile

So sayeth one of the gushers whose high praise convinced me to buy it. But I do blame myself the most for this. And I have you know that I was having a grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat day … until I put on that CD!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"Exquisite" is probably the wrong word to refer to this score, and had you expecting something very different from what you got. Of all the many Goldsmith scores I'd call "exquisite" this isn't one, though I do think it's a fairly fun, if minor, effort. But then I also love the Flint scores and even S*P*Y*S, which seems to be one of Goldsmith's most unanimously hated scores. (S*P*Y*S admittedly can only be called "exquisitely goofy".)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

There are certainly scores that I absolutely cannot fathom the appeal of that others seem to love. And a good thing, too, because it meant I was able to sell my copy of Pino Donaggio's "The Barbarians" for $40!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Cheers, Ron. I started off not listening to samples and blind buying - I've never been overwhelmingly disappointed with that strategy. These days, I'll listen to samples, but that still means reading between the lines. So you can never be sure unless you get to hear the music full-on one way or the other.

There is one really good thing about a blind buy - the sense of mystery involved beforehand. wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

SchiffyM: Re: There are certainly scores that I absolutely cannot fathom the appeal of that others seem to love. And a good thing, too, because it meant I was able to sell my copy of Pino Donaggio's "The Barbarians" for $40!

Of course. I love the opening of "The Fan" with this pulsating Pino Donoggio score that accompanies the pounding of an old typewriter, which others here love, but many others hate. I love the opening of James Horner's "Gorky Park," which switches between his blistering music and Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake" -- some hate it, others, like me, love it. I love Bill Conti's music for the American release of "The Big Blue" while others prefer Eric Serra's original. Viva la….

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Much as I am an admirer of Goldsmith, I rank probably half-a-dozen of his scores as being in the dozen very worst soundtracks I've ever bought... with Link and Criminal Law being at the bottom of even that lowly pile.
To balance that, if I was making some lists of the Top 20 scores for a variety of genres, Goldsmith would likely have more scores included in there than anyone.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Basil:

Right. I bought a CD of Goldsmith's "Link" and never cared for it and didn't even bother to put it in my iTunes. That's why few of us put him in that category the other day when someone asked if any composer batted 100% for us. Maybe 80%! (I don't think it was put in batting averages, but if it were, I guess I'd say that Goldsmith bats 800!) (Actually it was "who bats 100% for you -- but should have been bats 1000.)

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

There's another angle too. My father had The Fan in his DvD collection and for ages and ages I just gawped at it and borrowed something else to see for the evening, secure in the knowledge that it would be there the next time.

Then one day, while scanning the collection I noticed The Fan wasn't in it's usual place on the shelf. So I made a determined effort to find it - no luck. When I asked my father what had become of The Fan he said he traded it in because he didn't like it. So I lost the chance to know anything about it at all!

 
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