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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Both were entries in highly successful franchises that were so bad they killed it dead. Both needed a reboot.

Batman and Robin did in deed sink that series, but you're wrong regarding Spider-Man 3. It made $890,871,626 worldwide, which is more than any film in the Spider-Man series, including The Amazing Spider-Man. It was not a bomb by any stretch of the imagination and did not "kill a franchise" or "force them to reboot." A Sam Raimi directed Spider-Man 4, starring the original cast, was in development for three years before Raimi dropped out (taking Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst with him). Sony was more than happy with the series and did not demand a restart. However, since Raimi and the others were out, Sony decided to break from the established continuity. It's also said they needed to make more films to hold onto the rights, but they didn't need to start over for that. Recasting would have been enough. However, Batman Begins, Casino Royale and Star Trek were all hugely successful reboots. Sony felt that was the best way to go.

Whatever, either way, the idea that SM3 was a bomb and killed the franchise is incorrect. Regardless of what fans have to say about disco emo Parker, audiences voted with their wallets.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)

Why are they being compared? It is not commonly known but there are Easter eggs in both films. Batman appears in a scene in the Spidey movie, and Spiderman shows up in a scene in Batman and Robin.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

Both were entries in highly successful franchises that were so bad they killed it dead. Both needed a reboot.

Whatever, either way, the idea that SM3 was a bomb and killed the franchise is nonsense. Regardless of what fans have to say about disco emo Parker, audiences voted with their wallets.


If the film had been any good, they would all have stayed on board for a fourth. The fact that they all knew it sucked ass, and they knew we knew it sucked ass was the major factor in them all moving on.

To continue your analogy of the 'vote' - judgement on your performance comes from how many votes you get the next time. None of the principles wanted to find out, despite the fact that none of them really had anywhere else to go.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   meegle   (Member)

Why are they being compared? It is not commonly known but there are Easter eggs in both films. Batman appears in a scene in the Spidey movie, and Spiderman shows up in a scene in Batman and Robin.


Whawhatwhat???

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

Yep, it was.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Whatever, either way, the idea that SM3 was a bomb and killed the franchise is incorrect. Regardless of what fans have to say about disco emo Parker, audiences voted with their wallets.

Indeed. What killed the fourth "Spider-Man" in that series was a budget that was so astronomical, it just didn't make financial sense. I happen to have direct knowledge of this. I was working on the Sony lot directly across the hall from the accounting department for "Spider-Man 4" (I can't remember the code name on all the signs… it'll come back to me). I spoke with them about it as it was happening.

Yes, "Spider-Man 3" was pretty terrible. But since when has that ever killed a money-making franchise?

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Why are they being compared? It is not commonly known but there are Easter eggs in both films. Batman appears in a scene in the Spidey movie, and Spiderman shows up in a scene in Batman and Robin.


Whawhatwhat???


Me thinks Dyfrynt forgot to add this... wink or this... big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

As a film I liked parts of Spider-Man 3. I think there were too many villains. If they had stuck to the Harry and Sandman story lines then it wouldn't have been so chaotic.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

f the film had been any good, they would all have stayed on board for a fourth. The fact that they all knew it sucked ass, and they knew we knew it sucked ass was the major factor in them all moving on.

This theory is rock solid. That's why the entire cast of TRANSFORMERS was replaced for the second and third sequels...

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

As a film I liked parts of Spider-Man 3. I think there were too many villains. If they had stuck to the Harry and Sandman story lines then it wouldn't have been so chaotic.

I agree. Take out the goo alien and it would have been an awesome film. Even with its short comings I think its much better than Spidey 2, which didn't know if it wanted to be a drama, or a parody of itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Young's Spidey score, easily ( for me ). The best score of the original 3 films and hands down better than the Goldenthal.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2013 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Spider-Man 3 happens to be playing on TV right now so I've been catching pieces here and there between other things to hear the score again. Great stuff from Christopher Young. I especially love the main title track, though I gotta say I noticed a curious thing about it that's relevant to the topic of this thread: about midway through the main titles you can hear some very Goldenthal-Batman-esque trumpets playing. I noticed them again later when Spidey's hanging upside-down looking at his reflection in a skyscraper window after the symbiote takes over his suit. Anybody else hear the similarity there?

Regarding which is the better score, without the luxury of hearing both scores apart from their films, I think I can still safely say I prefer Batman & Robin. However, B&R revisits/repeats many of the themes from Batman Forever, and without much variation in some cases, and that takes something away from the excellence of the score in my book. There is still some great new material for Freeze and Ivy, but I wish more of the score had branched out into new territory or at least served up Forever's themes with more variation. A chance to hear the complete score on its own could well change my thoughts, though.

 
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