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 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I know they might have to tread carefully or maybe be diplomatic about it, but I'd love to hear what Mike Matessino or James Nelson think about these releases.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Because that was the track title on the LP. They are replicating the LP with these releases.
-Erik-



Yes, that would be the obvious theory, except that the new editions already have not stayed faithful to the original LP mixes or the original occasional clumsy edits.
Changes have already been made, so that pretty much scrubs the "replicating" idea.
Is there no mention of a reason in the booklet or any of the promotional material?


Is that a joke reply? Erik already told you what's up.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Is that a joke reply? Erik already told you what's up.


No, it's not a joke reply at all.
I want to know if there is any official reason provided by the actual product in question, not just some assumption that any of us would easily come up with on our own--however logical or obvious that assumption may be.
I didn't say, "Hey, does anyone have a theory...?".
I could not have been clearer in what I was asking.

Well, I guess it's just another weird little anomaly in these editions.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Looks like Japan is getting these too on July 6, unless they are something entirely. They will be on the Avex Trax Japan label:

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Phantom-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CMLDLNS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-4&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-II-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CMTXHY1/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-3&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-III-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CMPF911/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-6&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-IV-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CMQ1MDW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-5&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Strikes-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CNXQ7SF/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-2&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-VI-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B07CNXXX2T/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526580295&sr=8-1&keywords=soundtrack+star+wars

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

No, it's not a joke reply at all.
I want to know if there is any official reason provided by the actual product in question, not just some assumption that any of us would easily come up with on our own--however logical or obvious that assumption may be.
I didn't say, "Hey, does anyone have a theory...?".
I could not have been clearer in what I was asking.
Well, I guess it's just another weird little anomaly in these editions.


Whaaaaaa? These editions replicate the original track sequencing and track titling. Mixing anomalies not withstanding, these are replicas of those original albums. Titles included. How is that confusing?

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I listened to Empire the other day and my goodness, what I disastrous mess. Just as others have stated, there are horrible edits, jarring variations in sound quality in the same track, and sometimes (The Asteroid Field) the oddest and most intrusive reverb I recall being added to formerly beautiful music. I went back immediately and listened to the 1997 special edition, which has taken a lot of criticism, but compared to this latest "remaster" at least sounds like a recording someone put some care and thought into.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I listened to Empire the other day and my goodness, what I disastrous mess. Just as others have stated, there are horrible edits, jarring variations in sound quality in the same track, and sometimes (The Asteroid Field) the oddest and most intrusive reverb I recall being added to formerly beautiful music. I went back immediately and listened to the 1997 special edition, which has taken a lot of criticism, but compared to this latest "remaster" at least sounds like a recording someone put some care and thought into.

sounded good to me. at this point happy to have this.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I'm sticking with the box set from a couple years ago, I rather have ALL the music than better sounding music. Besides, the box set sounds good to me.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Whaaaaaa? These editions replicate the original track sequencing and track titling. Mixing anomalies not withstanding, these are replicas of those original albums. Titles included. How is that confusing?


But you see, I never said I was confused.
There was no logical reason--as far as I can tell--to propagate an error in the name of historical replication, when the new edition had already changed so much.
If Disney wanted to be so enslaved to the concept, then it's doubly silly that they changed the cover art in the first place.
If they wanted to be so faithful to the originals, then they may as well have copied the clumsy edits, too.
Unless anyone can explain why the cue for the part of the movie where Leia "breaks the news" and then Vader's suit is burned up, was titled "Rebel Briefing" in the first place, then it's just a goof that could easily have been rectified.
It really makes me wonder if the people involved ever bothered to listen to the material in the first place--both now AND 1983.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

Has David Manning of The Ridgefield Press reviewed these releases yet?

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

But you see, I never said I was confused.
There was no logical reason--as far as I can tell--to propagate an error in the name of historical replication, when the new edition had already changed so much.
If Disney wanted to be so enslaved to the concept, then it's doubly silly that they changed the cover art in the first place.
If they wanted to be so faithful to the originals, then they may as well have copied the clumsy edits, too.
Unless anyone can explain why the cue for the part of the movie where Leia "breaks the news" and then Vader's suit is burned up, was titled "Rebel Briefing" in the first place, then it's just a goof that could easily have been rectified.
It really makes me wonder if the people involved ever bothered to listen to the material in the first place--both now AND 1983.


Had Jedi been done properly baxk in 1983 it would have been a 2LP set. That it was 1 disc has been replicated here. As has that discs track titles. The track in question should have been near the end too. It wasn't then and it isn't now.

A more interesting question is... was the actual Rebel Briefing cue supposed to be on that 1983 album? Is it the title that's wrong, or was the title correct and the music wrong?

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

A more interesting question is... was the actual Rebel Briefing cue supposed to be on that 1983 album? Is it the title that's wrong, or was the title correct and the music wrong?

My understanding is that it was an anti-spoiler measure. I guess "Han Solo Returns" was a given.

I wonder if we ever get "The Ultimate Editions" if they will use Williams' original names for the tracks. (I don't like most of the new names on the 1997 sets.)

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

There is more than enough Star Wars product clogging the market. If there needs to be a proper reissue of a 1970s John Williams score, it should be SUPERMAN.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Well I don't see what all the fuss is about - we're only at Star Wars' 40th Anniversary here.

By the time we hit 50 years we'll have had a few more spin-offs, and probably the third film in Rian Johnson's trilogy.

I'll happily wait for the 45th or 50th edition soundtrack release, maybe by that time we'll have the original cuts of the films on Blu-ray or whatever format reigns the day then too. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There is more than enough Star Wars product clogging the market. If there needs to be a proper reissue of a 1970s John Williams score, it should be SUPERMAN.

Superman isn't Star Wars. Get over it! wink

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

A more interesting question is... was the actual Rebel Briefing cue supposed to be on that 1983 album? Is it the title that's wrong, or was the title correct and the music wrong?


I agree--that IS the real question here.
Where in ROTJ is there anything that could profitably be called a "Rebel Briefing" scene? The only thing I can think of is where everyone is gathered to discuss the 2-tiered assault on both Death Star 2 and the Endor shield generator.
The Arista set has no corresponding cue, and the 1997 has "Alliance Assembly". This last cue is certainly pleasant, but sorry to say, a little nondescript. The "Leia Breaks The News" cue is rather more important, I think. Not only is it a beautiful hand-off from the brother-and-sister theme to the Han-and-the-Princess theme, but also underscores the funeral pyre scene--both quite a bit more important than the assembly scene.
This would tend to make me think that it is the Leia/Funeral cue that was meant to be on the 1983 album.
So the cue was just mistitled, but how that could happen is beyond me--as is why the error would be continued on any future editions such as this one.

The book in the Arista set has one simple line, "On the original Jedi album, this track was titled "Rebel Briefing", which acknowledges the error, but does not explain it.
(Gawd-DAMN I love that Arista set. smile)

Anyway, plenty of speculation to go around (which is what I try to avoid), but no actual official, definitive answer.
Another anomaly, like I said earlier.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Alliance Assembly is great, despite its dogshit sound quality. In 1997, hearing this for the first time was a good precursor to The Lost World theme!

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   SpaceMind   (Member)

A more interesting question is... was the actual Rebel Briefing cue supposed to be on that 1983 album? Is it the title that's wrong, or was the title correct and the music wrong?

The new version represents the original ROTJ LP Version with the same, albeit incorrect, name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogSbprpceik

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Dude, we know!

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2018 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   SpaceMind   (Member)

Dude, we know!

I'm trying to help since it's obviously being asked. You have the ability to bypass my response and move on to the next.

 
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