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 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Here's a sampling of threads and reviews.

I think this'll give you an idea what some of the issues were . . .

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=28747&forumID=1&archive=1

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=62730&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=86492&forumID=1&archive=0

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/star-wars-original-trilogy-soundtracks-cd.116019/

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1X7HYHPM91Y7L


Many thanks for this, much appreciated. I must admit that I think I was too blinded into assuming that the special editions were immediately superior and so have foregone the artista set but clearly I shouldn't have!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I pulled the box out again earlier this year and made my own "deluxe editions" as others above have mentioned. The original Star Wars album is pretty much a perfect soundtrack album, showcasing Williams' knack for assembling a listening presentation ( but the complete presentation is very good of course - just growing up with the original double LP, that's the one that just feels right ).

Empire to me was less successful in the original incarnation, the Anthology expansion serves it well. And of course the less said about the original Jedi album the better big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2013 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

Yeah I was in my senior year of college in RI perusing a new record store when I came upon it . It felt like striking gold when you weren't looking. Back before the internet... What a time it was for a collector. Back when collecting really was work pounding the pavement... Today just a few click of the keys.

The "Internet" was in operation back in 1993...even in 1990!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2013 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

Ford, what kind of circumstances would have to occur? What "planets would have to align," if you know what I mean, to make another great box like the Arista happen, one more time, for the complete (so far) JW/SW saga?

From what I know, Sony has exclusive rights on all SW scores releases until 2019 or so. It's all up to them and LucasFilm to decide if and when spending (a lot of) money to do a major restoration on all six scores for a new soundtrack release. Also, keep in mind that, as Lukas Kendall pointed out a few times here, these are not the easiest scores to license out, there are quite a few parties involved that need to be acknowledged to obtain green-light. And considering also that LucasFilm is now part of the Disney corporation, I guess things can be even more complicated than before.

Anyway, there is a brand new SW trilogy on the horizon and hence new marketing/licensing opportunities to exploit, so maybe this means that "planets will align" in the next few years.


Even on the Sony releases, to date, there are STILL a number of "goofs" to be found.. and *rediscovered* I'm sure...

http://www.malonedigital.com/starwars.pdf

Don't DL it! PRINT IT OUT so you can read it over and over again!

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   FarTraveler   (Member)

Yeah I was in my senior year of college in RI perusing a new record store when I came upon it . It felt like striking gold when you weren't looking. Back before the internet... What a time it was for a collector. Back when collecting really was work pounding the pavement... Today just a few click of the keys.

The "Internet" was in operation back in 1993...even in 1990!


It is true that "the internet" was in operation then, but many of us weren't active on it. In 93, the internet was a novelty to be used mostly for unix email because one's 9600 baud modem was so darn slow. So, like the first comment above, I felt like I had struck gold when I found the box in Tower Records in Chicago.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Still amazing after all this time we still don't have the definitive releases of the original trilogy scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Yeah I was in my senior year of college in RI perusing a new record store when I came upon it . It felt like striking gold when you weren't looking. Back before the internet... What a time it was for a collector. Back when collecting really was work pounding the pavement... Today just a few click of the keys.

The "Internet" was in operation back in 1993...even in 1990!


It is true that "the internet" was in operation then, but many of us weren't active on it. In 93, the internet was a novelty to be used mostly for unix email because one's 9600 baud modem was so darn slow. So, like the first comment above, I felt like I had struck gold when I found the box in Tower Records in Chicago.


The World Wide Web, the easy way to use the Internet is born on 1993 and doesn't start widely appearing in browsers till 1994-1995. Internet commerce spelling 1995-1996 with amazon and cd store long gone. Run by a guy named Matt and called cd now!. Amazon later bought them.

I discovered screen archives via usenet and rec.music.movies or rec.movies.music. Then got emails and mimeographed newsletters from them. Talk about age of discovery.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Still amazing after all this time we still don't have the definitive releases of the original trilogy scores.

I'm sure to most "normal" people the 1997 CDs would be definitive. Heck, MOST people would have been happy with the Anthology!

(Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a Star Wars set comparable to The Blue Box. Of course it would have all that prequel nonsense...)

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The sound quality on the latter two films is definitely superior in the Arista set as opposed to the RCA/Sony SE versions. Star Wars is more subjective; when the new set first came out I liked the louder, in-your-face mix, but as more time has passed, I find I now prefer the older sound with wider stereo separation as heard on the Anthology set.

I, too, would love for a Blue Box style presentation of these scores. Until then, the Anthology remains my go-to version of the music from this trilogy.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2013 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

This thread caused me to finally order the original Star Wars trilogy, long overdue I know. I checked out the different sets which all have its pros and cons and decided to go with the 30th anniversary set, mostly due to the cool boxset design (love the Darth Vader cover and the mini lp covers), the mostly C&C aspect and the low price (I paid 20 euro with shipping, I remember when I first saw it in stores over here it was 80 euro). The lack of track liner notes does not bother me and from listening to the samples, it sounded ok to me. Especially looking forward to Return of the Jedi, which is my favorite SW score.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I remember being disappointed when the old TESB CD omitted "The Departure of Boba Fett" and probably some other well-loved-by-me cues as well as the audio of the entire proceedings sounding like crap. I didn't even know the Anthology existed until 1995, when a co-worker who was a John Williams completist told me about it. I bought the Anthology without hesitation and it remains my preferred SW Trilogy release. I really have no use for the Sony 2 disc sets and have only kept TESB.

...oh, and can't me in as another who would snap up CD reissues of the original Trilogy LPs! They'd never do the original Empire LP booklet justice, though...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   jedijones77   (Member)

I asked my parents for it as a birthday or Christmas gift when it came out and I was 16. The problem was when I went to play the first disc, a Chicago album came out of the speakers! The wrong music had been pressed to the beautiful Star Wars disc. It was hard to pack up the 3 working discs and take it back instead of listening to what I could right then and there. I had already been listening to the soundtracks that were available, including the "John Williams Conducts John Williams: The Star Wars Trilogy" album, which I still love as perhaps the best, most rich rerecording of Star Wars music available. But I craved whatever new music cues from the original trilogy I could get.

Now I can no longer remember what was "new" music on the boxed set and what would not come out until the SEs. But once the SEs came out I never listened to the old boxed set again. For me not one note of music in ANH or ESB is expendable. They along with Superman are the greatest scores ever written. I can't ever go back to a less complete edition.

At the time in 1993, Star Wars was actually on the rise again as a cultural phenomenon. The novel Heir to the Empire and the comic book Dark Empire had also recently come out. In 1995, the action figures would be relaunched by Hasbro. It was really exciting at that time being a fan and seeing so many other people come back into the fandom fold as new Star Wars merchandise began to slowly snowball into production, after fans and manufacturers alike had almost put the trilogy behind them (I think 1988 was the true low point for interest). The anticipation leading up to the release of The Phantom Menace was unbelievable and unlike anything else I've experienced in entertainment. After the dust settled and some of the flaws and disappointments with TPM became clearer, it's been hard to feel quite the same way about Star Wars, partly because the mystery of the prequels is gone and partly because it's an active franchise with nostalgia removed.

I actually wish Disney were delaying the new movies another year or two. I'd like to see 3D rereleases of ANH, ESB and ROTJ again in the tradition of the SEs to lead up to Episode 7 and build anticipation. The December release date is also disturbing and ill-advised as far as I'm concerned.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

I remember one day stumbling about this release at a record store in The Hague, never knew it existed. I listened to several of the tracks in the store. Hearing the climactic Luke and vader battle gave me goosebumps right then and there.

At the time it cost a heartbreaking amount of money (150 Dutch Guilders) and I was still in school. Had to wait for weeks and the store would not hold it for me for that time.

Nail biting tension

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2013 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I remember one day stumbling about this release at a record store in The Hague, never knew it existed. I listened to several of the tracks in the store. Hearing the climactic Luke and vader battle gave me goosebumps right then and there.

At the time it cost a heartbreaking amount of money (150 Dutch Guilders) and I was still in school. Had to wait for weeks and the store would not hold it for me for that time.

Nail biting tension


Final Duel was the very first track I played. Then I called a friend and without saying anything just played it into his answering machine. He called me back five minutes later demanding to know where I had gotten that. What a terrific night.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Scott McC   (Member)

I bought this in Tower Records (London) in 1994. I couldn’t believe it when I first clapped eyes on it and recall being as giddy (as the proverbial schoolboy) when I opened an unsealed copy in the same store and delved into the treasures inside. The booklet was terrific and I remember first racing through its glossy pages to check what had been included. While complete 2 cd score presentations were released in 1997, the Anthology set for me remains the classiest presentation of the Original Trilogy scores to date as a result of the box and its artwork, the superb booklet and the well chosen production artwork on the first 3 cds.

I have however always struggled with the notion that the Anthology is superior sound quality wise to the later 2 cd sets, as I’ve never been able to detect much of a difference.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)



I have however always struggled with the notion that the Anthology is superior sound quality wise to the later 2 cd sets, as I’ve never been able to detect much of a difference.


What's your equipment?

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Scott McC   (Member)



I have however always struggled with the notion that the Anthology is superior sound quality wise to the later 2 cd sets, as I’ve never been able to detect much of a difference.


What's your equipment?


Marantz CD player, Marantz integrated stereo amplifier and Mission speakers.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 4:26 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I have however always struggled with the notion that the Anthology is superior sound quality wise to the later 2 cd sets, as I’ve never been able to detect much of a difference.

Really? I find the RCA/Sony Empire and Jedi to sound pretty dire in comparison due to odd remixing and overzealous noise reduction.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I have however always struggled with the notion that the Anthology is superior sound quality wise to the later 2 cd sets, as I’ve never been able to detect much of a difference.

Really? I find the RCA/Sony Empire and Jedi to sound pretty dire in comparison due to odd remixing and overzealous noise reduction.


I’m sure to the people that can hear it, it must be like chalk on a blackboard.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I’m sure to the people that can hear it, it must be like chalk on a blackboard.

Indeed. It's like they sucked some of the life out of the music. I find the muddiness of Jedi to render that presentation almost unlistenable without serious adjustment. Usually I just stick to the Anthology.

 
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