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 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   mild_cigar   (Member)

To get this back on track, I recently sat through "Moonraker" with my kids, and aside from the pre-credit music, there really didn't seem to be a lot of music in the film that's not on the CD.

10-15 minutes - approx. 50%

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)


To get this back on track, I recently sat through "Moonraker" with my kids, and aside from the pre-credit music, there really didn't seem to be a lot of music in the film that's not on the CD.


Let's say 15 minutes maybe 20.

But Moonraker is a Holy Grail for many John Barry fans.
Eon is keeping the masters "hostage" for too long now (Hopefully). Are the masters really lost ? I don't think so. (recording took place in Paris because of co-production and the John Barry tax issues in England).

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

@Tango Urilla
For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights are not really complete:
FYEO still miss "Moscow's scene" cue (brief, but very impressive!), another little cue before villa-fight, Casino source music, and several Main theme arrangements.
TLD also miss great cues - Bond meets the girl in pre-credits scene, Bond meets CIA-girls and once again - several brief cue with Necros and other themes.
And I named only those cues, that I remember - if I'll take time and re-watch both of them, I can find something else. )))

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Some Moonraker unreleased cues

Zero Gravity (1:10)
NASA Shuttle Launch (0:33)
Freefall (1:34)
Venini Glass Works (1:13)
Enter the centrifuge (0:38)
Here is to Us (1:02)
Gondola Chase (2:25)
DRAX Shutlle Launch (0:44)
Gunbarrel and Hijack (1:20)

11 minutes

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

@Tango Urilla
For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights are not really complete:
FYEO still miss "Moscow's scene" cue (brief, but very impressive!), another little cue before villa-fight, Casino source music, and several Main theme arrangements.
TLD also miss great cues - Bond meets the girl in pre-credits scene, Bond meets CIA-girls and once again - several brief cue with Necros and other themes.
And I named only those cues, that I remember - if I'll take time and re-watch both of them, I can find something else. )))



I stand corrected, you're absolutely right! I guess I always assumed the old Rykodisc expansions were the full deal and never looked too closely at what was missing in the films themselves. I'll adjust my earlier post accordingly.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

We do still need the film version of Chris Cornell's You Know My Name though.

That’s on the 50th anniversary collection, isn’t it?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

@Tango Urilla
I can only suggest that this happens only 'cause all named cues was really short (maybe except casino source cue) - about 15-30 sec.
So while they include some important cue, which was combined ('Assassin' And Drugged, for example), all the rest were missed.
And another reason - we don't know all details - maybe they couldn't locate that cues, or they were damaged...

@Other Tallguy
I thought that there is at least 2 version of this song with difference in arrangement - film version and single/"Carry On" album version. They are much different.
And that album version was released on 50th anniversary collection.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

We do still need the film version of Chris Cornell's You Know My Name though.

That’s on the 50th anniversary collection, isn’t it?


I have no idea. I didn't buy the 50th anniversary set since it looked like I had just about everything on there.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   lostboy408   (Member)

It'd be cool to see a collection of the David Arnold scores expanded. I don't really know how much is missing if any at all as I don't own any of the CDs.

I missed his music when it came to Skyfall. I'm a Thomas Newman fan, but his music didn't work for me in context of the movie, however some of it is enjoyable as a stand alone listening experience

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

MOONRAKER would definitely benefit from a better sounding source. The EMI recording is truly awful.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)



To state it differently, I'll happily buy an expanded release of Licence to Kill.


That would be lovely indeed. My favorite non Barry Bond score by far.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

No mention of the first three.

Does no one care about these, or are we resigned to the extra tracks being lost?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   nicholasm79   (Member)

No mention of the first three.

Does no one care about these, or are we resigned to the extra tracks being lost?


I care, I would love to hear the other recordings of the James Bond Theme from "Dr. No" At least one of them is used in the film itself, others on various trailers for the film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   barryfan1   (Member)

As far as the first three Bond scores are concerned, at least they could be expanded using the isolated music and effects tracks from the old Criterion laserdiscs. I have Goldfinger, which makes for an interesting listen, and although it would result in something like FSM's Satan Bug CD, if the original recordings are really lost, short of re-recordings (and I'm sorry but the only Barry rerecording that works for me is the Varese Somewhere In Time), this would seem to be the only way.

As to the others, the other Barry scores would be of more interest to me, particularly The Man With The Golden Gun and Moonraker, but I think they all have their followers and admirers so they should all be done (even Skyfall, which for me kind of works OK in the film, but not as a stand alone listen).

Mike

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Would definitely buy all of them - even if they are only "archival" releases. There are so many great cues in "Goldfinger" that aren't on the official release - like Bond's liaison in Miami or "Into Kentucky". The same goes for any cues from the latter ones that may no longer exist on multi-tracks. It's a weird puzzle game, I know. Now we are playing around with things like: wouldn't it have been great if that motorboat noise would have been faded out earlier in "Dr. No" - and we'd have a complete end title now...

I wonder if the split of the Parlophone and Capitol catalog will have any effect on the Bond releases. The current Bond CDs are on Capitol (now UMG), but Matt Monro and Shirley Bassey (for instance) were recording for EMI in the UK back then - now Warner territory.

As for plans of future releases: I'm afraid this only applies to the Arnold Bond scores. I would so like to be proven wrong, but I just can't see them happening frown

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 1:54 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Limitation? No, it's called VOICE.

This is precisely it. Honestly, this is all a bit ridiculous. OnlyGoodMusic has proclaimed himself the arbiter of good taste and is telling others here what is worthy of their listening. That he expresses it with the disdain of the allegedly intellectual does not make his (or her) point any less inane. Enjoy what you enjoy, and don't let anybody tell you not to. We buy these CDs to listen to; they're not required to have any higher calling than our own pleasure.


Hmmm...

His posts on this thread regarding the very matter you refer to, have the aura of a certain 'goldsmith-rulez' from the not too distant past...

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

This is just me, but you know what I'd love?

I'd love a box set containing individually sleeved 2CD editions of all the Bond scores 1962—1987, as follows:

CD1 — the album program remastered, plus any bonus tracks
CD2 — the complete score in film sequence

OK, that might be redundant for the first three titles: single CD editions would suffice there.

In the case of Thunderball, because the album versions of 007, the Thunderbal instrumental and the two instrumental versions of Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang would be on the album disc, more of the score could be on CD2. (I'd just put more source cues on CD1 to get the complete score out if necessary.)

In the case of The Spy Who Loved Me, of course the album and score are totally different recordings anyway.

It would allow both film and album versions of the Diamonds Are Forever song to be preserved on the same package.

Now, I know there'd be an awful lot of redundancy in that for a lot of folks, but since the James Bond scores are among my favourites of all, I'd love to see this kind of definitive presentation.

But, y'know what I'd settle for?

I'd settle for a 2 or 3 CD set just containing as-yet unreleased cues. That way, at least I could make up complete score programs at home.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I'd settle for a 2 or 3 CD set just containing as-yet unreleased cues. That way, at least I could make up complete score programs at home.

If I remember correctly, that was Silva's original idea for their 'Bond: Back In Action' releases, but quickly dropped the idea as they found the missing/unreleased cues just didn't hold up well enough. I do like those 2 discs, however.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Hmmm...

His posts on this thread regarding the very matter you refer to, have the aura of a certain 'goldsmith-rulez' from the not too distant past...

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I agree ,OnlyGoodMusic has a very similar style and opinions to goldsmith-rulez, who I think was banned!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   groovemeister   (Member)

'The Spy Who Loved Me', as heard in the movie would be my holy grail, i know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but i love it !

 
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