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 Posted:   Nov 8, 2015 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

1941 as well

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2015 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

And the aforementioned Poltergeist as well. Did it again for an upcoming La-La Land release that will offer a huge sonic upgrade.

Mike M.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2015 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

O.K., I think it's been established that the Audio Fidelity SACD version of the Close Encounters of the Third Kind soundtrack will not be a from a new re-mix or based on a previous re-mastering of any sort.

Which leaves me with this question: Since this album is evidently based on the original Arista album edit and mix, does that mean that the very tape that is being transferred and mastered for the new SACD is the same one that was used for Arista's first issue of this soundtrack on compact disc back in 1986?

Or is it the same tape that was used to cut the vinyl back in 1977?; which then went on to serve as the basis for the CD release?

I find these scenarios unlikely. Somewhere between the first vinyl/8-track/cassette tape master, the '86 master for the first CD release, and the current SACD release, I'll bet there's been some reliance on protection elements, re-mixing, re-enhancement, or some such preservation technique.

What I find impossible to believe is that the same tape used for the '77 release is the exact same source for the SACD.

This is probably all "inside baseball", but there's no harm in asking for the chain-of-transmission between '77 and 2015, especially since this SACD is hardly the last iteration we'll have of this score.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2015 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Hoffman only remasters, nothing more. What this boils down to is that he runs the tapes through some old tube gear and EQ's it to suit his sonic preferences.
He doesn't work with multitracks--only pre-existing 2-track masters.
Getting him to acknowledge exactly what tapes he uses in his versions is where he is occasionally less than forthcoming, which is why AF editions no longer have the blurb "From The Original Master Tapes" on their packaging.
For CE3K we can only presume that he's be working with the original LP production master, or possibly one generation above it.

(There have been instances where Hoffman has made editorial changes; such as subbing album-length songs where single edits previously appeared, inserting gaps between tracks where butt-edits were before, etc. These alterations generally meet with mixed reactions among his customer base.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2015 - 10:01 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Hoffman only remasters, nothing more. What this boils down to is that he runs the tapes through some old tube gear and EQ's it to suit his sonic preferences.
He doesn't work with multitracks--only re-existing 2-track masters.
Getting him to acknowledge exactly what tapes he uses in his versions is where he is occasionally less than forthcoming, which is why AF editions no longer have the blurb "From The Original Master Tapes" on their packaging.
For CE3K we can only presume that he's be working with the original LP production master, or possibly one generation above it.

(There have been instances where Hoffman has made editorial changes; such as subbing album-length songs where single edits previously appeared, inserting gaps between tracks where butt-edits were before, etc. These alterations generally meet with mixed reactions among his customer base.)


Thanks, that clear up some of the questions I had about the release.I guess we will get more clarity once the cd is out on 27th of this month.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

By the way, I was checking out the price of another JOHN WILLIAMS SACD title the 20th Anniversary cd release of E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL. From the used cd to brand across ebay and amazon.com the price range is staggering!

on Amazon.com sellers: It ranges from $736 to over $2000???eek

I haven't played mine in ages but what's the merit for such a high price? Apart from the known content is it a superior Audiophile cd?

Time to milk this cow then?big grin

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

By the way, I was checking out the price of another JOHN WILLIAMS SACD title the 20th Anniversary cd release of E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL. From the used cd to brand across ebay and amazon.com the price range is staggering!
on Amazon.com sellers: It ranges from $736 to over $2000???eek
I haven't played mine in ages but what's the merit for such a high price? Apart from the known content is it a superior Audiophile cd?
Time to milk this cow then?big grin



Amer, when you say you haven't played yours in ages do you refer to the SACD you pictured or do you have the standard redbook edition?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)




Amer, when you say you haven't played yours in ages do you refer to the SACD you pictured or do you have the standard redbook edition?


Octoberman, I have the above version in SACD (which I play once a year) and also the standard edition which came with the ET DVD Collector edition+book set. But my preferred choice is the first expansion set that came via the MCA label. I prefer the 'bright' sonics on that one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I would love to get my hands on the SACD of E.T. but there is no way I am going to pay that amount of money.

I saw it once before it went OOP at Tower Records for whatever retail was at the time, but I was really broke that week. When I went back a few weeks later, it was gone. Then it went OOP and the price skyrocketed. Are people really paying that much for it?

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Isn't that always the way, though?
Nothing loosens the wallet more than knowing that the something-in-question isn't made anymore.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2015 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

We're close to this release being disgorged by the Steve Hoffman-Audio Fidelity mothership, and congratulations to all us Close Encounters of the Third Kind Original 1977 Soundtrack Album fans.

I think it'll be great to hear the edit and mix we grew up with being run through tubes and into a DSD encoder. I hope Steve has preserved that little edit from "Climbing Devil's Tower" which was revealed on The Collector's Edition version of the track ("Climbing The Mountain") to have contained a door squeak in the silence between two low string-low horn notes.

Alas, after this issue, what I want is for Mike Matessino to get access to all the raw tapes for a true remastering. This SACD will tide me over just fine until that inevitable development.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

This one is out and just ordered my set. Anyone else who gets its first, pls share your your first impressions and views. Much obliged.

Amer

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

This one is out and just ordered my set. Anyone else who gets its first, pls share your your first impressions and views. Much obliged.

Amer


Amer, did you order your copy from Amazon? I have searched Amazon and was unable to locate it, I even looked at Intrada.

Finally, I am not to familiar with SACD, will this play on normal CD players?

Regards

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 2:55 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)



Finally, I am not to familiar with SACD, will this play on normal CD players?

YES!

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

This one is out and just ordered my set. Anyone else who gets its first, pls share your your first impressions and views. Much obliged.

Amer


Amer, did you order your copy from Amazon? I have searched Amazon and was unable to locate it, I even looked at Intrada.

Finally, I am not to familiar with SACD, will this play on normal CD players?

Regards


Yes. The private vendors like Intrada and SAE wont be having it. I checked with SAE before ordering. So, Its only available on the US & UK Amazon.com and the labels own website. See the link below. SACD plays only on a player wth SACD capabilities. However, this is a hybrid SACD compatible with ordinary cd players. But that means it will play as a normal cd with stereo output instead of the 5.1 output.

http://www.amazon.com/Close-Encounters-Third-Kind-O-S-T/dp/B0161H1J2S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1448703448&sr=1-4&keywords=sacd+soundtrack

https://audiofidelity.net/product/john-williams-close-encounters-third-kind-ost

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

This one is out and just ordered my set. Anyone else who gets its first, pls share your your first impressions and views. Much obliged.

Amer


Amer, did you order your copy from Amazon? I have searched Amazon and was unable to locate it, I even looked at Intrada.

Finally, I am not to familiar with SACD, will this play on normal CD players?

Regards


Yes. The private vendors like Intrada and SAE wont be having it. I checked with SAE before ordering. So, Its only available on the US & UK Amazon.com and the labels own website. See the link below. SACD plays only on a player wth SACD capabilities. However, this is a hybrid SACD compatible with ordinary cd players. But that means it will play as a normal cd with stereo output instead of the 5.1 output.

http://www.amazon.com/Close-Encounters-Third-Kind-O-S-T/dp/B0161H1J2S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1448703448&sr=1-4&keywords=sacd+soundtrack

https://audiofidelity.net/product/john-williams-close-encounters-third-kind-ost


Excellent and thank you for you help.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Close Encounters of the Third Kind may be my favorite John Williams score.

The one thing I like about the original soundtrack presentation of Close Encounters of the Third Kind were the way some of the cues were edited. "Main Title & Mountain Visions", for example, works excellently in that form. As far as cue assembly goes, the original Arista release was very good. I was disappointed in it though for two reasons: for one, the original release dropped a lot of very interesting music (much of thLigetti inspired stuff, for example), and by and large I found the original release lacking in length and content. The 1998 re-release certainly beefed up the sound and was structurallly the overal better listening experience.
For some reason, I always thought the original Arista vinyl, which was later issued on CD by both Arista and Varese, was a rather poor sounding recording.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2015 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Close Encounters of the Third Kind may be my favorite John Williams score.

The one thing I like about the original soundtrack presentation of Close Encounters of the Third Kind were the way some of the cues were edited. "Main Title & Mountain Visions", for example, works excellently in that form. As far as cue assembly goes, the original Arista release was very good. I was disappointed in it though for two reasons: for one, the original release dropped a lot of very interesting music (much of thLigetti inspired stuff, for example), and by and large I found the original release lacking in length and content. The 1998 re-release certainly beefed up the sound and was structurallly the overal better listening experience.
For some reason, I always thought the original Arista vinyl, which was later issued on CD by both Arista and Varese, was a rather poor sounding recording.


Yes. I really like this album. Its fairly representative of the film and is very well edited and makes for a fine listening experience. Like an extended suite. The expanded release is a joy to have but I really enjoy the album version the way it makes edit and joins the cue almost like a symphonic movement. I also love the aforementioned Main Title /Mountain Visions track in this album.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2015 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

First review:

http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/110224/John_Williams-Close_Encounters_Of_The_Third_Kind-Hybrid_Stereo_SACD

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2015 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Bailey   (Member)

First review:

http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/110224/John_Williams-Close_Encounters_Of_The_Third_Kind-Hybrid_Stereo_SACD


This SACD does--to my old ears anyway--sound better than the old Arista album/CD.

 
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