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 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

I've only seen the film once so far. What scene(s) does Convergence go with?

It's the layered percussion piece that played over the scene where the well caught fire.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

I've only seen the film once so far. What scene(s) does Convergence go with?

It's the layered percussion piece that played over the scene where the well caught fire.


Ahhhhhh yes. Loved that. Is the music that accompanies the opening shots included on the soundtrack (the music that's reminiscent of The Shining)? I dug that. A lot.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Is the music that accompanies the opening shots included on the soundtrack (the music that's reminiscent of The Shining)? I dug that. A lot.

That should be Open Spaces, the first track on the CD.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)



Ahhhhhh yes. Loved that. Is the music that accompanies the opening shots included on the soundtrack (the music that's reminiscent of The Shining)? I dug that. A lot.


Well, crap, Allardyce. Sorry I'm late to this party (considering the initial question was directed towards me). Everyone's answers are up to par.

However, I can most certainly answer this last one. The piece of music heard in the opening of the film is Greenwood's music that was commissioned by the BBC Radio Orchestra. The piece is titled Popcorn Superhet Reciever. It might be included in the 3-track mp3 download that Nonesuch offers because Greenwood initially wrote three pieces of music with the commission (smear and Piano for Children being the other two, and both also figure into the score written for the film as well); I received the other music from a different source.

The version of Bodysong's "Convergence" used in TWBB includes portions of Popcorn, FYI.

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


That should be Open Spaces, the first track on the CD.


Actually, this cue is used much later in the film; it's a quieter, more meditative piece of music compared to Popcorn Superhet Reciever.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Yeah, I haven't watched the movie since it left theaters, so I'm apt to be a bit fuzzy on what music went where.

I don't think any of the stuff you mentioned is part of Nonesuch's bonus offer. Here are the three mp3 you get through them:

HW/Hope of New Fields (Orchestral Version)
Prospectors Quartet (Orchestral Version)
De-Tuned Quartet


Of course you can always listen to the real audio stream of Popcorn Superhet Receiver at the BBC's website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/ram/bca_2006_greenwood.ram

 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2008 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)



HW/Hope of New Fields (Orchestral Version)
Prospectors Quartet (Orchestral Version)
De-Tuned Quartet




Hmm, I'd really like to hear these. Thanks for the clarification on what the bonus stuff was, Squiddy!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

I finally saw THERE WILL BE BLOOD this past weekend.

Ugly, and relentlessly downbeat, with a score that gave me a big-ass headache. It was too long, and the same actor in two roles thing only works if you're Peter Sellers (or Johnathan Winters in THE LOVED ONE).

Certainly well-acted. But well-acted doesn't necessarily translate into a meaningful motion picture experience.

Did I mention that the score gave me a headache?

Oh, I see I did. Jarring and abrasive and inappropriate and annoying. I have nothing against atonality in music (I love composers like Webern, Varese, Schoenberg and Berg), and it often works well in film music, but it's just unpleasant here.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

... and the same actor in two roles thing only works if you're Peter Sellers (or Johnathan Winters in THE LOVED ONE).



Never seen Dead Ringers? Or perhaps considered the concept of identical twins? Radical stuff, really!

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


Did I mention that the score gave me a headache?

Oh, I see I did. Jarring and abrasive and inappropriate and annoying. I have nothing against atonality in music (I love composers like Webern, Varese, Schoenberg and Berg), and it often works well in film music, but it's just unpleasant here.


Tell me what you think about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACCAF04wSs

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

Kinda funny, actually.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I'm glad nutsscore has taken up the mantle of trying to support this score for all the reasons outlined above.

The folks who dislike it vehemently reveal something about the perception of music. It would seem that there is an intrinsic link between aesthetic pleasure and listening to music. Or perhaps, in the case of TWBB, how music is married to visuals. If the music is overtly tonal and melodic, it can be as loud as possible. If it is abrasive, unappealing, dissonance, than it is reviled. I'm sure that PT Anderson and Greenwood delight in these kinds of responses because that appears to be the reaction they were after with this score.

Plainview is a monster- a polarized amped up version of everything bad about capitalism. A monster. A fascinating one mind you as portrayed by Daniel Day Lewis but a monster nonetheless.

It's a memorable score and one that I like quite a lot. It's also not overtly electronic. The "synth:" sound is an e-bow which allows the guitar player a more gradual attack transient when strumming the strings on the guitar. It gives a similar sound to that of a bowed violin. The guitar player in the band I played in used it quite a bit for atmosphere.

As for programming, Greenwood actually writes his own sequencer programs. But the sudden drop in the acoustic space in Future Markets is more the recording engineer. Those strings are as real as you can get. Trust me. I own practically every sampled string library on the market and I know what real ones sound like (I have written pieces played by real strings too).

Anyhow, this should not devolve into a flame war. If Haines and other dislike the score, no problem. To summarily dismiss it as crap, well, it does not tarnish my appreciation of what Greenwood was doing. It's my favorite score of 2007.


 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

... and the same actor in two roles thing only works if you're Peter Sellers (or Johnathan Winters in THE LOVED ONE).



Never seen Dead Ringers? Or perhaps considered the concept of identical twins? Radical stuff, really!


I just saw Bob Culp perform a remarkable dual role in an episode of I SPY. The ability to play multiple characters effectively and distinctly is a great talent, and certainly plausible when performed by the right thespian. Kevin Kline often does it very well along with a host of others.

In regard to the music in THERE WILL BE BLOOD...funny, but when I think of it, I just don't think of it as atonal. The first pieces that usually come to mind are very rhythmic and defined, not the least bit abrasive or irritating. There is a great deal of beauty in the music to this film.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

Tell me what you think about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACCAF04wSs


Andrew. THAT........ was brilliant!

So is the video negative or positive toward the three?

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Kinda funny, actually.

Well, at least you liked it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACCAF04wSs



So is the video negative or positive toward the three?


Well, the faux "commercial" was apparently made as an inside joke by some music academia, and the video and images were added later. I think it's very much in support, but it has its tongue planted firmly in its cheek.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2008 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Les Jepson   (Member)

It's my favorite score of 2007.

Hear, hear!

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2008 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

It's my favorite score of 2007.

Hear, hear!


Sometimes music is best when it challenges our senses and pre-conceptions. In the case of Greenwood, he was not doing anything that Penderecki, or Crumb or Bartok had not done decades before. But the application of his music to this particular story and setting was innovative. Some didn't care for it because, I believe, they were constrained by strong expectations and associations of what they were conditioned by having heard many pandiatonic Americana themes from similar film settings. This style of music challenges the audience and thrusts them out of their world of warmer string sonorities that oft accompany films set in that time period.

Whether the credit goes to Greenwood or PT Anderson is the only question I have. I suspect both had a hand in it though.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Performance live this week in London:

http://www.lcorchestra.co.uk/perfomances/upcoming/


JG was interviewed tonight on BBC Radio 4, re the film, its technique of composition, etc.. When asked if he felt cheated, he remarked that he cherished his Kermode award!

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Sometimes music is best when it challenges our senses and pre-conceptions. In the case of Greenwood, he was not doing anything that Penderecki, or Crumb or Bartok had not done decades before. But the application of his music to this particular story and setting was innovative. Some didn't care for it because, I believe, they were constrained by strong expectations and associations of what they were conditioned by having heard many pandiatonic Americana themes from similar film settings. This style of music challenges the audience and thrusts them out of their world of warmer string sonorities that oft accompany films set in that time period.

Whether the credit goes to Greenwood or PT Anderson is the only question I have. I suspect both had a hand in it though.


My thanks to William for unearthing this old thread and topic for all of the best reasons (and my jealousy goes out to those able to hear this one live in London!).

I want to add that Mr. Coscina's words above are immaculate! Your simple statement really re-inforces WHY this music sparked our ears in 2007, and why it continues to be discussed and listened to. I know that personally I must spin this one (and it still remains one of the few I still own on CD along with my FSM collection) at least every other month. And my hopes is that I continue to do so.

 
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