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 Posted:   Dec 24, 2013 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

Looks like I will be relegated to the secondary market for this CD. Sigh.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Has anyone tried tracking their order?I have a number but get a blank page,no details,when I click'track order'.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2013 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Looks like I will be relegated to the secondary market for this CD. Sigh.


It's still available!

http://www.intermezzomedia.com

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Hank V   (Member)

At last, yes. Love the booklet too with good information and background. Substantial compared to some releases nowadays and including a couple of obscure Rózsa/wilder photos. Thank God the Peter Otoole project never got off the ground. A musical? No thanks. For a CD released as "archival" I must say the sound is surprisingly better then I had really expected. I suppose one's idea of archival can vary. Normally I would not have gone for an archival CD after a rerecording of Tadlow's standard but in this case I am still pleased to have the Rózsa original in addition. Thanks guys and Frank.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Erich Gruenberg's impressive tour-de-force on track 7 is overwhelming.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

My copy was shipped by SAE on Friday.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   funkymonkey   (Member)

Mine arrived today. A superb release - sound quality is far better than I expected. The booklet is also wonderfully designed an illustrated. Bravo to Quartet... a brilliant CD.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Disappointed somewhat.

It's actually a good release in general. Reasonable sound. Lovely production etc. But the take of "Gabrielle" is NOT the one used in the movie. The take on the album more closely resembles that part of the violin concerto from which it's derived. The take used in the movie is quite a bit slower (and better for it), abridged and has a different resolution. Sadly, the booklet notes don't explain or even acknowledge the difference.

The movie version remains definitive, IMO. But it looks like it's gone forever... except for its life within the film itself, and, really, that's not such a bad place to appreciate it because it works so beautifully in the scene it was created for.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

After further considered listening, I'm beginning to suspect that the vast majority of the Gabrielle track on the album might not even be an alternate take from the movie sessions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if its original source turned out to be a parital performance of the actual violin concerto that found itself mixed in with the various score tapes and source materials over the many years. It may have nothing to do with the Holmes score. Might not even be Rozsa conducting.

This all a big fat guess with nothing but my ears to back it up. I'd happily be proved incorrect and a fool.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Erich Gruenberg's impressive tour-de-force on track 7 is overwhelming.

That's because it's Jascha Heifetz.

I had this recording of the Violin concerto decades ago. The performance on the Holmes album dredged up a distant memory. I just checked/compared and, well... my ears and memory are just fine.

I like Quartet as a label, they seem solid and they've released some very cool stuff. So I'm assuming that this was an error made in good faith, so to speak.

Why do I feel like a shit-heel?

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

After further considered listening, I'm beginning to suspect that the vast majority of the Gabrielle track on the album might not even be an alternate take from the movie sessions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if its original source turned out to be a parital performance of the actual violin concerto that found itself mixed in with the various score tapes and source materials over the many years. It may have nothing to do with the Holmes score. Might not even be Rozsa conducting.

This all a big fat guess with nothing but my ears to back it up. I'd happily be proved incorrect and a fool.



You naughty party-pooper, Heath.

I haven't got this one yet, but the old boot (which we can now safely mention, because it's gone ......) used splicings from the Heifetz concerto plus laserdisc tracks. It was cleverly done, and indiscernible.

I'm not saying the new one follows this, understand.

Gruenberg played the Holmes Fantasia on album 3 of the Polydor LPs too, and was magic.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Erich Gruenberg's impressive tour-de-force on track 7 is overwhelming.

That's because it's Jascha Heifetz.



I'm feeling both a proud embarrassment and an embarrassing pride.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Erich Gruenberg's impressive tour-de-force on track 7 is overwhelming.

That's because it's Jascha Heifetz.

I had this recording of the Violin concerto decades ago. The performance on the Holmes album dredged up a distant memory. I just checked/compared and, well... my ears and memory are just fine.

I like Quartet as a label, they seem solid and they've released some very cool stuff. So I'm assuming that this was an error made in good faith, so to speak.

Why do I feel like a shit-heel?




Would anyone from Quartet, or anyone involved in the making of this cd, care to comment on this?

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Frank DeWald   (Member)

“Gabrielle” was missing entirely from the better-sounding (but incomplete) music stem, and most of the cue on the complete stem was damaged beyond redemption. Quartet Records salvaged what they could from that stem, but used another source (specifically, the Heifetz recording, which is now Public Domain in Europe) to fill out the cue. It extends the concerto excerpt beyond what is actually heard in the film, but, since it is one of Rózsa’s most exquisite themes, it cannot be too much of a good thing!

The opening music of the film cue is intact. After that, there is a short transitional passage before the concerto excerpt and a brief coda afterward that were, sadly, excluded because the stem sounded so poor. The intense climax (measure 85 of the concerto's second movement), however, is there in all its glory! Altogether, there is less than one minute of the original HOLMES score missing -- but there is more of the concerto to enjoy by way of compensation.

Hopefully, purchasers will appreciate that this decision on the label's part was made to make the album more "listener-friendly." Many projects in this wacky world of soundtracks are done as true labors of love by those involved, and this was certainly one of them. Enjoy!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

“Gabrielle” was missing entirely from the better-sounding (but incomplete) music stem, and most of the cue on the complete stem was damaged beyond redemption. Quartet Records salvaged what they could from that stem, but used another source (specifically, the Heifetz recording, which is now Public Domain in Europe) to fill out the cue. It extends the concerto excerpt beyond what is actually heard in the film, but, since it is one of Rózsa’s most exquisite themes, it cannot be too much of a good thing!

The opening music of the film cue is intact. After that, there is a short transitional passage before the concerto excerpt and a brief coda afterward that were, sadly, excluded because the stem sounded so poor. The intense climax (measure 85 of the concerto's second movement), however, is there in all its glory! Altogether, there is less than one minute of the original HOLMES score missing -- but there is more of the concerto to enjoy by way of compensation.

Hopefully, purchasers will appreciate that this decision on the label's part was made to make the album more "listener-friendly." Many projects in this wacky world of soundtracks are done as true labors of love by those involved, and this was certainly one of them. Enjoy!




Thanks! I'm sure I'll be happy with the cd, hope to get it this week! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I'M BACKKKKKK

Beat Records was sold out though their site wasn't updated as quickly as possible. MoveMusic was now sold out as well.

Does anyone have a copy I could snag before I go to the dreaded secondary market and pay $50 or my soul?

I'd be willing to send you a signed 8x10 of ALL the composers from this years Fans of Film Music. 17 signatures in all!

PLEASE help little old DMD.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The release notes state:

"The resulting CD preserves the composer’s own irreplaceable interpretation."

Should have read:

"The resulting CD preserves the composer's own irreplaceable interpretation, apart from where we decided it wasn't irreplaceable after all and used somebody else's interpretation instead."

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 11:38 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I'M BACKKKKKK

Beat Records was sold out though their site wasn't updated as quickly as possible. MoveMusic was now sold out as well.

Does anyone have a copy I could snag before I go to the dreaded secondary market and pay $50 or my soul?

I'd be willing to send you a signed 8x10 of ALL the composers from this years Fans of Film Music. 17 signatures in all!

PLEASE help little old DMD.


Perhaps you should try this retailer Peter:

http://www.arksquare.net/index_main.html

Arksquare offers friendly service and quick international shipping.

I've bought stuff many a time from them adding up to pretty much a perfect record. smile

Good luck!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2013 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

The release notes state:

"The resulting CD preserves the composer’s own irreplaceable interpretation."

Should have read:

"The resulting CD preserves the composer's own irreplaceable interpretation, apart from where we decided it wasn't irreplaceable after all and used somebody else's interpretation instead."


I often enjoy your witticisms Basil but in this case you are being grossly unfair. In his Producer notes, Jose Benitez explains in detail the extraordinary lengths Quartet went to, over a very long period, in attempting to locate material (including contact with Eric Tomlinson who had recorded the score at Anvil Studios) and in subsequently endeavouring to achieve the best possible quality for the CD. A true labour of love.

The original "Gabrielle" cue is delightful and is from a key scene so it's natural to have a sense of disappointment that its damaged condition precluded it from being presented on the CD exactly as heard in the film. But let's not over-react for what we have on this CD is Rozsa's exquisite score performed by the composer and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra in sound which, given the advance health warning, is of a better sound quality than I ever thought would be possible.

Incidentally, it's curious that, to my knowledge, no-one ever commented on the fact that the Tadlow recording extended that same cue for their recording!

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2013 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Problem SOLVED by a dear dear sweet guy!!

Thanks to all. So glad I can count on so many of you for being TRUE fans of film music! Thanks all!

 
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