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 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, the title itself maybe not, but if you put next to it the name "JOHN WILLIAMS", it might do the trick! ;-)

Exactly. Not to diminish the popularity of Rozsa within a certain crowd (and the more widely popular 'epic' genre), but John Williams trumps basically everything in the world of film music these days. And especially if the score has no previous release whatsoever. AND....when the score is so good on top of that...AND when the required ensemble is much smaller than those epic thingies....AND when the score sheets are available, then I can't really see why no rerecording label would be interested.

Sure, there's the rights issue and maybe even Williams' own approval (I'm not sure about the latter, actually....surely, there have been many specialty releases by the likes of FSM that haven't required his approval?), but definitely worth trying, given the rewards at the other side.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Of course, we're talking about a re-recording here, without knowing if the master tapes exist.
Maybe they exist too somewhere, as the sheet music, and maybe, if any label would be interested, should check that first.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 1:56 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

OK, let's talk title appeal for a moment. I think 'Story of a Woman' has the same problem as 'A Certain Smile', which as I pointed out in another thread, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek, has no street cred with us manly guys. I mean, is that title really going to grab some 22 year-old alpha male who's never heard the score by the throat?

Well, the title itself maybe not, but if you put next to it the name "JOHN WILLIAMS", it might do the trick! ;-)


Well, A Certain Smile was Newman, and Newman has a certain following also, but it didn't seem to help sales much. Other Newman titles have sold very healthily, but they were titles that tended to grab--"Captain from Castile", David & Bathsheba", "Down to the sea in Ships", "The Robe" etc. I still say the title is 50% of your appeal, particularly in association with a composer known to excell in that genre.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, let's talk title appeal for a moment. I think 'Story of a Woman' has the same problem as 'A Certain Smile', which as I pointed out in another thread, albeit somewhat tongue-in-cheek, has no street cred with us manly guys. I mean, is that title really going to grab some 22 year-old alpha male who's never heard the score by the throat?

Well, the title itself maybe not, but if you put next to it the name "JOHN WILLIAMS", it might do the trick! ;-)


Well, A Certain Smile was Newman, and Newman has a certain following also, but it didn't seem to help sales much. Other Newman titles have sold very healthily, but they were titles that tended to grab--"Captain from Castile", David & Bathsheba", "Down to the sea in Ships", "The Robe" etc. I still say the title is 50% of your appeal, particularly in association with a composer known to excell in that genre.


Again, I will argue that Newman doesn't compare to Williams in terms of appeal to a contemporary audience. History has shown that, with a few exceptions, limited premiere releases of Williams scores have sold very well; probably more than any other composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Of course, we're talking about a re-recording here, without knowing if the master tapes exist.
Maybe they exist too somewhere, as the sheet music, and maybe, if any label would be interested, should check that first.


Of course (I'm guessing some has been done already, that we simply don't know about), but I'd hate to see a project like that take YEARS, only to come up short. Then it's better to invest in a rerecording straight off the bat. I also happen to think -- and this is a personal preference -- that a rerecording would be better in this case, if done well. I'm a "rerecording guy" when it comes to older scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Again, I will argue that Newman doesn't compare to Williams in terms of appeal to a contemporary audience. History has shown that, with a few exceptions, limited premiere releases of Williams scores have sold very well; probably more than any other composer.

Is the audience contemporary? I honestly don't know--it might be a good subject for another thread. Of those who post (and remember, we don't know how many lurkers there are), a goodly proportion do seem more interested in current or near-current films; but then we hear that a 4-CD Ben-Hur sold out in two weeks, seeming to imply a large (perhaps hidden?) interest in Silver/Golden Age material. One has to think that if so many were prepared to spend so much on B-H, already well represented on CD, there might be enough interest in another Rozsa epic subject.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Williams appeals to older fans as well as younger fans -- he's a crossover composer that way -- and has the benefit of being the world's most famous film composer of all time. Newman and Rozsa are also popular, but within a more limited segment.

Of course, your average teenage Harry Potter fan is not very likely to pick up STORIA DI UNA DONNA just because it's Williams, but I think such a release would attrack a far wider segment than (another) epic score from the 50s and 60s, especially one that already has some form of release. That's my predictation, anyway. Of course, I haven't even mentioned the historical significance of having a completely unreleased Williams soundtrack out there.

I also think the quality of this score is so high that there would be an additional "word of mouth" upon release, resulting in extra sales despite the obscurity of the film's title. It's a fantastic, buried gem in Williams' oeuvre that just waits to be dug out and polished for all to see and hear. That became particularly apparent now, with the recent upload of the film to Youtube.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   General Kael   (Member)

BEN-HUR and KING OF KINGS! How great would that be?! Followed up by THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! I know there's a box set already on the way, but I'd love to have the original AND a stellar new recording!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   fommes   (Member)

I concur we urgently need some John Williams rerecordings. If not of Storia, then I'd also be happy with a rerecording of a better known Williams score: there are so many of them in the 60s and 70s that have bad-sounding original recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I concur we urgently need some John Williams rerecordings. If not of Storia, then I'd also be happy with a rerecording of a better known Williams score: there are so many of them in the 60s and 70s that have bad-sounding original recordings.

Indeed, or no recordings at all. But for me, STORIA is on top of the list.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)


Indeed, or no recordings at all. But for me, STORIA is on top of the list.


Followed maybe by THE SECRET WAYS.
I say "maybe", because i haven't seen the film yet. But the theme was quite good.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)


Indeed, or no recordings at all. But for me, STORIA is on top of the list.


Followed maybe by THE SECRET WAYS.
I say "maybe", because i haven't seen the film yet. But the theme was quite good.


Yes, absolutely THE SECRET WAYS too. The film is not half-bad, certainly one of the best Williams did in the period. Has a very THE THIRD MAN feel to it. The main theme with those "Duel of the Fates" ostinati is the best thing about the score, but there are some other highlights too. However, it's not even close in excellence to STORIA.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   thommy   (Member)

Great topic and one full of anticipation.
First i'd like to thank mr Fitzpatrick and his team for bringing many, many hours of listening joy in my life for many years.

Second i'd like to suggest another three titles that may or may not be worth or even a possible candidate for a rerecording depending on the many things discussed here.
I was thinking about complete recordings of Williams Star Wars prequel scores. I think there's a good market for them and they would fit very nicely with the Gerhardt original trilogy re recordings.

Whatever may come next i'm very happy there is so much interest in these recordings. Music is ment to be performed more then once in my opinion. And to capture these great performances in great sound makes me very happy when i buy and hear them.

Once more a heartfelt thank you.

greetings Thommy.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

Almost July and still all quiet on the Tadlow front. A dry summer in prospect?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2014 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

If James does have anything in mind--and it's a big 'if'--there's inevitably months of preparation. He clearly hadn't decided on anything the last time he posted on future releases, and that hasn't been all that long.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2014 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Almost July and still all quiet on the Tadlow front. A dry summer in prospect?

James Fitzpatrick said, back in January, that he was mixing two new re recordings he had made (presumably for Prometheus) so I assume they will be released this year.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2014 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Ed Lachmann   (Member)

BEN-HUR and KING OF KINGS! How great would that be?! Followed up by THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! I know there's a box set already on the way, but I'd love to have the original AND a stellar new recording!

Sign me up for the last one! Immediate pre-order here, plus several additional copies to gift to epic fan friends.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

I don't think this has been mentioned here anywhere: Leigh Phillips is running a Surveymonkey poll to gauge interest in a new Kickstarter-funded Goldsmith rerecording. The choices he's put forth are Lionheart, Lilies of the Field and suites from Thriller.

As much as I like the other two scores, a suites collection from Thriller is by far the most exciting prospect to me. There are no great-sounding recordings of Goldsmith in that early Bartokian chamber music mode. It would fill such a void.

I'm sure Lionheart will win though.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/LSXNXC3

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

I don't think this has been mentioned here anywhere: Leigh Phillips is running a Surveymonkey poll to gauge interest in a new Kickstarter-funded Goldsmith rerecording. The choices he's put forth are Lionheart, Lilies of the Field and suites from Thriller.

As much as I like the other two scores, a suites collection from Thriller is by far the most exciting prospect to me. There are no great-sounding recordings of Goldsmith in that early Bartokian chamber music mode. It would fill such a void.

I'm sure Lionheart will win though.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/LSXNXC3

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2014 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)


As much as I like the other two scores, a suites collection from Thriller is by far the most exciting prospect to me. There are no great-sounding recordings of Goldsmith in that early Bartokian chamber music mode. It would fill such a void.

I'm sure Lionheart will win though.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/LSXNXC3


Agreed. Thriller is most ideal by far, but Lionheart will very likely win it out.

He just had to put an 80s option in there to muck up Thriller's chances. smile

 
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