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 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

"Bloody Floor" is amazing. A hundred times better (maybe 80) than "Vacation's Over." That ending is the best.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's Jarre's main title within the film:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2g17p6_main-title_music

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

"Bloody Floor" is amazing. A hundred times better (maybe 80) than "Vacation's Over." That ending is the best.

The ending is the best! Yes. And it's essentially the same material that appeared in "Decompression" from Leviathan and "Over the Cliff" from First Blood. I love that musical moment and I love each way it's presented in the three cues from the three scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I see what Schiff is saying, absolutely, but when you compare what Goldsmith did to Jarre's original work, Goldsmith's music was reacting more for the characters, particularly Gail, in its controlled/deliberate, almost mathematical rhythms. Jarre just jizzes all over the place, playing to the audience's fear of the rapids. It's fun, and you can have a good time with it, but when it's over, you're exhausted and left to ponder the mess.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Jarre just jizzes all over the place, .

Great description you got going there... razz

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Nevermind. They were removed - again. Le sigh...

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Nevermind. They were removed - again. Le sigh...

Why don't you try the Russian social media site VK.

http://vk.com/

People upload entire films on there; a couple of clips would go completely unnoticed.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Someone here is obviously reporting you, Mutant. Idiots.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Someone had your Jarre RIVER WILD videos taken down?

Buncha goddamn Communists. They were great stuff.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

That's a shame. Mutant has done some great work over the years putting unused scores to picture.

Shaun, delightful French jizzian imagery. Thank you for tonight's nightmare. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Nevermind. They were removed - again. Le sigh...

Why don't you try the Russian social media site VK.

http://vk.com/

People upload entire films on there; a couple of clips would go completely unnoticed.



Thanks everybody.

I'll look into this!

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

Goldsmith's music was reacting more for the characters, particularly Gail, in its controlled, almost mathematical rhythms.

Nailed it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

One thing I love about certain action scores IS repetition--working the same motif and building it up orchestrally over time. That's something I really miss in current action writing, which just seems to be a hundred drums going nonstop through every cue. I do find the building, repeated material in "Vacation's Over" and (to cite a better and more popular example) something like the truck chase from Raiders of the Lost Ark to be very exciting albeit quite simple. I also love the more scrambling and complex approach to something like "Bloody Floor"--but that really comes down to the difference between pure action scores and horror/action or science fiction action where there is more being addressed by the music than just action and excitement. So I don't think it's really fair to compare something like "Vacation's Over" to "Bloody Floor." It's like comparing Rambo to Alien.
I would not put The River Wild at the pinnacle of Goldsmith's writing in his CAREER, but I would place it very high in Goldsmith's writing (and of scoring in general) of that period as far as my taste goes. I find Goldsmith's late-career action material still quite exciting, and to see him do these very long action cues here and in Timeline near the end of his career I think is gratifying. But to each his own--I can't make anyone like what they're not gonna like.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Someone here is obviously reporting you, Mutant. Idiots.

Not necessarily. Studios are actively hunting down videos and making copyight claims; after a certain number, some sites will yank the channel.

And a site like Youtube, uses a system that can detect submitted copyrighted material and block it by country or even world wide. It can happen immedialtely, or it can take a whiel for the system to cycle threw the all the submissions to identify what you ahve. Even videos with ten seconds of copyrighted music, can get flagged. On Youtube, your account has a note of your standing with them. Enough violations and eventually you get canned.



I don't have any knowledge of how this would work, but I can't see why The Mutant couldn't get permission to put up such videos from the repective copyright holders. It would obviously take some finageling, but if it could happen, no more obscure video channels, and think of what could be done.



Anyway, I hope the original cut of the film with Jarre's score, is released on DVD one day, or at least put online someplace like Hulu (an interesting premise -- putting alterative cuts up of films with different scores, different cuts, now that I think of it).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

It's really fascinating listening to two composer's approach of the same scene (Vacation's Over/The Gauntlet). It's hard to argue they both gave the film what it needed but they're such different scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Nevermind. They were removed - again. Le sigh...

Why don't you try the Russian social media site VK.

http://vk.com/

People upload entire films on there; a couple of clips would go completely unnoticed.



Thanks everybody.

I'll look into this!


For example here's the complete film THE RIVER WILD:

http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=-52306940&id=165766333&hash=ac1fd465b9a5afe4&hd=2

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Someone here is obviously reporting you, Mutant. Idiots.

Not necessarily. Studios are actively hunting down videos and making copyight claims; after a certain number, some sites will yank the channel.

And a site like Youtube, uses a system that can detect submitted copyrighted material and block it by country or even world wide. It can happen immedialtely, or it can take a whiel for the system to cycle threw the all the submissions to identify what you ahve. Even videos with ten seconds of copyrighted music, can get flagged. On Youtube, your account has a note of your standing with them. Enough violations and eventually you get canned.



I don't have any knowledge of how this would work, but I can't see why The Mutant couldn't get permission to put up such videos from the repective copyright holders. It would obviously take some finageling, but if it could happen, no more obscure video channels, and think of what could be done.



Anyway, I hope the original cut of the film with Jarre's score, is released on DVD one day, or at least put online someplace like Hulu (an interesting premise -- putting alterative cuts up of films with different scores, different cuts, now that I think of it).


Yeah, YouTube takes my stuff down before it's even processed. The Daily Motion vids worked for like, half an hour and then disappeared.
I'm gonna try the suggested Russian site. I'll re-upload today.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)


Why don't you try the Russian social media site VK.

http://vk.com/

People upload entire films on there; a couple of clips would go completely unnoticed.



Hey dude.

Could you tell me if this link works for you? If so, I'm back in business!!! big grin

Main Title: http://vk.com/video?z=video290170172_170944822%2Falbum290170172


Vacation's Over: http://vk.com/video290170172_170944823

Thanks for the info by the way. I worked really hard on each one of these vids and they're just languishing in my hard drive. Hopefully I can share all of them with you fine folks soon.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)




Hey dude.

Could you tell me if this link works for you? If so, I'm back in business!!! big grin

Main Title: http://vk.com/video?z=video290170172_170944822%2Falbum290170172


Vacation's Over: http://vk.com/video290170172_170944823

Thanks for the info by the way. I worked really hard on each one of these vids and they're just languishing in my hard drive. Hopefully I can share all of them with you fine folks soon.


The first link sends me to log in into the website, the second sends me to your videos which I can then click on the one I want to see. If you want to link directly to the video, you need the embed code.

Play one your videos, right click it on and copy the video, you will get this:

< iframe src="http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=290170172&id=170944823&hash=d1dffc85b0af481c&hd=1" width="607" height="360" frameborder="0'>


Remove the extra stuff to get this:

http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=290170172&id=170944823&hash=d1dffc85b0af481c&hd=1

So your links are

Main Title: http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=290170172&id=170944822&hash=0da3f7fb0c2420f4&hd=1

Vacation's Over: http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=290170172&id=170944823&hash=d1dffc85b0af481c&hd=1

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2015 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Awesome. Thank you!

 
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