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Aug 25, 2021 - 1:22 PM
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Rameau
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The film premiered at the Empire in London in 70mm (blow up) with separate performances and reserved seats, so it was a roadshow presentation. I must admit my memory of the film is extremely hazy, probably because all I remember is hating it; especially David Hemmings. Apologies to fans of the film!
In David Hemmings excellent (& very funny) autobiography, Blow Up & Other Exaggerations, he admits the film didn't work, & he got into trouble with his leading lady (Prunella Ransome) by sticking his tongue in her mouth during a love scene (he usually managed to have an affair with his leading lady, but he misjudged it this time), after a few years they eventually made up. As I said, I like the film, but couldn't defend it, as I remember, the dialogue is not good, & battles that involved tens of thousands of people were re-enacted using around 80 people...an epic on the cheap!
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If you mean this YT video, the uploader said he ripped the LP, although someone asserted that it contained non-LP music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxigSb4JTOY&ab_channel=LeighRichards
"but what i have uploaded is taken from the LP of the soundtrack which was officially released........hope this helps clear this matter up.........regards davidleigh"
As I have both LP and (boot) CD of ALFRED THE GREAT, I can tell you what is heard in this Youtube clip: It is indeed the "Main Title" (A 1) with 1:56 minutes plus the second part of "First Kiss" (A 6) from the LP. But keep in mind that these tracks can also be found on the CD: What is called "Main Title" on the LP is in fact the "End Cast" music of the film. Therefore on the CD that LP "Main Title" is the second part of the "End Title" track 13 which begins just at about minute 1:00. On the other hand, the first minute of that "End Title" track on the CD is not on the LP.
Almost all the tracks from the LP can also be found on the CD with the exception of A 5 "First Quarrel" with 2:12 minutes which is a kind of festive medieval piece with crumhorn and lutes.
The CD has a few tracks which are not on the LP: As I said, the first minute of the "End Title", but also the "Prologue" (the actual "Main Title" of the film itself) and the "Ordination" choral source music which can both be heard in track 1 before and after the "Invasion of the Vikings" (which at the beginning has men´s voices on the CD, but not on the LP!)
Discogs mentions that "A Night in the Forest" (B 5) has a duration of 2:32 minutes on the LP (the info comes from the back cover of the LP), but this is wrong. The track is absolutely identical with the one on the CD and has therefore the same duration of 2:04 minutes.
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So possibly the CD used movie audio in spots?
Yes, that´s possible - at least for the "Prologue". For the "Ordination" track I would have to check the movie again if they took it directly from there or had another source (maybe the M&E track?)
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So possibly the CD used movie audio in spots?
Yes, that´s possible - at least for the "Prologue". For the "Ordination" track I would have to check the movie again if they took it directly from there or had another source (maybe the M&E track?)
I have just checked the "Ordination" scene. In the film there is too much dialogue in that sequence so that it was certainly not possible to take the music directly from there. The CD producers must therefore have had an additional source, probably an M&E track.
There's a collection with "Lord of the Flies" themes but the runtime doesn't match the cd track. Was that from the movie audio? I only bring it up as it might point the direction of where the cd producer was getting some of the music.
Yes, the LORD OF THE FLIES track comes from the movie audio - it´s part of the Main Title plus the long Finale in the film with the Kyrie Eleison boys chant.
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So if he cobbled that together, it's not a stretch to think he did this with the album tracks, or used complete movie audio edits for the tracks. Btw, I'm not even going to ask how you know all that about FLIES.
I know the old LORD OF THE FLIES film quite well, but you can also for example check the complete film here if you want to:
https://ok.ru/video/83535071880
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So if he cobbled that together, it's not a stretch to think he did this with the album tracks, or used complete movie audio edits for the tracks.
But it´s still quite odd why they didn´t use the "First Quarrel" track from the LP at all. And the first minute of the "End Title" track on the CD is not heard in the film´s Finale or End Cast - so where does it come from?
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Well, we could comb the movie for it. Seems like the cd producer might have assembled what he wanted. Or as you suggested earlier, he had access to a M&E, and what we heard was the complete cue which was dialed in within the film audio.
If you look at the "Ordination" sequence in the film, it is impossible to take or edit the music directly from the movie audio for the CD. There is so much dialogue in the foreground all the time and the chorus can only be heard far in the background. Therefore I would opt at least for the M&E scenario.
As you might know, the Wessex CD was produced in Germany in early 1995 (it has a GEMA signet on the disc itself so it is obvious where it came from). At that time - completely independent from the notorious Tsunami label - there was a long series of such boot CDs in our country. And the producers of the CDs (there were always some rumors at that time who could be behind them) had access to copies of many tapes and M&E tracks so that a lot of Golden Age scores - above all many epics - were released either for the first time or were largely expanded in comparison with former official releases on LP. So it is no wonder that the same people apparently also had an additional source for ALFRED THE GREAT besides the old and very rare LP. Only for the bonus suite from LORD OF THE FLIES it is clear that they didn´t have anything besides the movie.
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What information is there about an upcoming CD release of this score?
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Good point. Maybe this was a M&E track used for foreign language dubbing?
Why not? Anything is possible.
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Raymond had a brother who was deaf (and struggled to spell) who started his own band. 
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