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I agree this release was not definitive, and I would also agree it was lazy if ... if ... expansion was realistically do-able.
However:
1. Do we know for a fact that Varese passed up a realistically do-able chance to expand this title, or is it just an assumption?
2. Do people seriously think Varese Sarabande issued this title as-is to deliberately torpedo another label's plans to expand it? That's a bit conspiracy-theory-ish isn't it?
The latter point is relatively easy to test as so many of the soundtrack producers are here. Can anyone step forward and say they were doing an expansion and it is now sunk because of this torpedo?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking a pro-Varese or anti-Varese stance here, the stance I'm taking is let's establish what's factual before we decide this release means something nasty.
Cheers
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May 15, 2012 - 12:13 PM
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SchiffyM
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No, I don't have plans to get it. Others do see it as pointless though.
It's a great score for a great film. As it happens, I own the older CD, so I'm content (and almost certainly, I'd pass on a new one even if it had the three or four minutes of additional short cues from the movie). But if I didn't own it already (say, if I were twenty years younger, or cash-strapped in the '90s), I'd pounce all over this. I don't see how it's pointless to get a great score back in print and available to people who want it. I just don't. We can debate whether it's lazy all we want, and while we may differ, there's room for debate there. But pointless? I simply can't understand that.
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May 15, 2012 - 1:22 PM
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AlexCope
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This release may not be definitive, but it sure as hell isn't pointless. It's a classic soundtrack album for a landmark score, and it's available again. This is good. No extra music? Yeah, a little disappointing. But to infer that the music was just sitting on a shelf labeled "FREE EXTRA CHINATOWN MUSIC IN PERFECT CONDITION NO STRINGS ATTACHED" and that Varese was just too lazy to get it out and stick it on a disc... come on, man!
On the other hand, this would be easier to swallow if Varese had dropped the laughable 'definitive' descriptor and just stated it was a reissue of the original album remastered. Or better yet, in a perfect world they could be like some of the other fine labels here and communicate more openly with their consumers and explain why there's no extra music and why as a result they used the word 'definitive'. But this is Varese, and they don't do that. It may open them up to legitimate criticism, but it doesn't make them lazy. It makes them, well, definitively Varese.
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These scores can be called the "Definitive Edition" as well.
Back To The Future (Intrada)
Godzilla (La-La Land)
Independence Day (La-La Land)
Batman (La-La Land)
Star Trek V (both La-La Land and Intrada)
Roobocop (Intrada)
Alien (Intrada)
What we need is Definitive's definite definition.
ALIEN doesn't have the Hanson end titles and the tracks aren't in any kind of sequence. Does that count as definitive? If a few missing bits of CHINATOWN disqualify it from being "definitive", the lack of the music which, for better of for worse, IS the sign off music for the film and an absolutely perfect musical coda, surely disqualifies ALIEN from the list....
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These scores can be called the "Definitive Edition" as well.
Back To The Future (Intrada)
Godzilla (La-La Land)
Independence Day (La-La Land)
Batman (La-La Land)
Star Trek V (both La-La Land and Intrada)
Roobocop (Intrada)
Alien (Intrada)
What we need is Definitive's definite definition.
ALIEN doesn't have the Hanson end titles and the tracks aren't in any kind of sequence. Does that count as definitive? If a few missing bits of CHINATOWN disqualify it from being "definitive", the lack of the music which, for better of for worse, IS the sign off music for the film and an absolutely perfect musical coda, surely disqualifies ALIEN from the list....
Batman is a mess. No offense intended, but yeah, it's a pretty gigantic mess.
Everyone's released some misfires.
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Thats why things like Mask Of The Phantasm have stuff like "Expanded Archival Collection" on the front of the cover art.
"Archival" is far worse than "Definitive". "Archival" is bootleg speak for "it sounds crap but it's for collectors who don't mind as long as they've got it".
Not in La La Land, it isn't.
And besides, that "Expanded Archival Collection" name was something that was forced upon them by Warner, wasn't it?
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they are????!!!!
better check next time i order a varese from SAE
brm
Yeah, Varese gives resellers little or no discount on titles. (Except maybe chain stores.)
dammitt!
i paid $5 extra for AGONY AND THE ECSTASY
thanks for the tip
bruce
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ALIEN doesn't have the Hanson end titles and the tracks aren't in any kind of sequence. Does that count as definitive?
Perhaps more importantly - the Intrada set doesn't have the music that was written especially for the trailers by Jonathan Elias.
The "Alien" release is the definitive presentation of Jerry Goldsmith's score for the movie. Simple.
And in what way are the tracks not "in any kind of sequence"?
The music as heard in the film is all over the place.
Tracks 1-23, Disc 1 - complete original score, some of which isn't in the film.
Tracks 24-30, Disc 1 - rescored tracks that are in the film.
Tracks 1-10, Disc 2 - album tracks, music hacked about, some of it not in the film.
Tracks 11-17, Disc 2 - odds and sods, not all in the film.
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