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 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)


Thanks for the kind words about the artwork, Jack. I created that illustration back in 2001 as a private work of fan art. Oddly enough, I only found out about this CD -- and its inclusion of my work -- a few hours ago, after a friend told me congratulations. The artwork was used without my knowledge or permission. Needless to say, I'm a bit surprised, and I emailed Intrada asking for an explanation. I'm prepared to view this as an honest oversight on their part, as my artwork has been in circulation online for quite some time. Mistakes can be made, especially when it concerns the internet, and I just hope they'll get back to me and help resolve this fairly and justly.

The full artwork can be found on my site, www.adammcdaniel.com. Here's a thumbnail: http://adammcdaniel.com/Gateway%20to%20NIMH%202013%20thumb.jpg


Intrada intended no slight in using your artwork, Adam. It was an honest mistake on the part of their long time art director, yours truly---who just heard about it this morning when we checked our e-mail. After designing 700 albums, this is a first. Give me a call and we'll set things right.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

(sniff-sniff-sniff).....I smell a lawsuit!big grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

I think you're joking. I would certainly think that this can be resolved without resorting to a lawsuit (which would likely cost more than can be made), and Mr. McDaniel is taking pains to express himself reasonably.

It's surprising, though, that Intrada would use artwork that didn't come from the studio.


I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, as I've heard only positive things about their staff and business practices. Some years ago, THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER used that same artwork in a story about a live-action remake that was being developed of "NIMH"...and they said they had honestly mistaken it for a genuine film promotion.

Truth be told, I'm quite flattered that they used the work! I'm just disappointed that I only found out about it months after the fact, without any credit, payment, etc., etc. But I do think it was an honest mistake on their part, and not the result of anything intentionally deceptive. Heck, I'm still gonna buy their soundtracks.


Adam. I'm an artist also. The people at Intrada are good guys. I'm sure they will get this all worked out. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   adammcdaniel   (Member)


Adam. I'm an artist also. The people at Intrada are good guys. I'm sure they will get this all worked out. smile

Greg Espinoza


Greg, they are very good guys, and long story short, we worked it all out extremely amicably. It was an honest oversight, and I'm delighted and honored to have my work featured in this release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It just would have been nice if they asked for my permission first.



The permission they need is that of the copyright holder. If the copyright holders gave Intrada clearance, then you'll need to contact the copyright holders and inform them that they no longer hold the copyright to their own character and that you do.


Maybe I'm on your ignore list. But you are completely WRONG. The artist who created the work is the copyright holder of that piece of art. If Intrada or the owner of the NIMH property wanted to use the fan art, they would have to either buy the rights outright from the artist or make other arrangements with him. Fan art is still protected art.

I see Intrada comment above so I'll leave it at that.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The artist who created the work is the copyright holder of that piece of art. If Intrada or the owner of the NIMH property wanted to use the fan art, they would have to either buy the rights outright from the artist or make other arrangements with him. Fan art is still protected art.



Using Disney characters as an example:

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-legally-sell-my-own-paintings-of-disney-char-626163.html

Relevant article on Fan Art:

http://kirawra.deviantart.com/art/The-Truth-About-Selling-Fanart-212570726

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The artist who created the work is the copyright holder of that piece of art. If Intrada or the owner of the NIMH property wanted to use the fan art, they would have to either buy the rights outright from the artist or make other arrangements with him. Fan art is still protected art.



Using Disney characters as an example:

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-i-legally-sell-my-own-paintings-of-disney-char-626163.html

Relevant article on Fan Art:

http://kirawra.deviantart.com/art/The-Truth-About-Selling-Fanart-212570726


The artist was not selling the art for profit so that argument has nothing to do with this situation. This is about other entities using his work of art without permission.

Tell Andy Warhol he can't sell unlicensed paintings of Mickey Mouse.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0SO80FfvjtWdtYA5HhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0aHR0MWlvBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjExNjZfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=andy+warhol+mickey+mouse&fr=yfp-t-901&fr2=piv-web

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)



Tell Andy Warhol he can't sell unlicensed paintings of Mickey Mouse.




From LA Times:

"Disney allows no unlicensed replication of its copyrighted images, according to Claire Robinson, Disney's vice president of intellectual property law. Frequently reproduced Disney images by artists including Andy Warhol, Keith Haring and Wayne Thiebaud are licensed, Robinson said".

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



Tell Andy Warhol he can't sell unlicensed paintings of Mickey Mouse.




From LA Times:

"Disney allows no unlicensed replication of its copyrighted images, according to Claire Robinson, Disney's vice president of intellectual property law. Frequently reproduced Disney images by artists including Andy Warhol, Keith Haring and Wayne Thiebaud are licensed, Robinson said".


I said upfront you can't sell reproductions. But Andy Warhol estate can sell his original paintings without a licensing agreement from Disney.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)



But Andy Warhol can sell his original paintings without a licensing agreement from Disney.



The works have already been licensed. There are no original Disney paintings by Warhol that weren't licensed.

From the book "Cutting Across Media":
"The better-known artists who have incorporated Disney characters into their works of art – Roy Lichtenstein, Andy Warhol and Keith Haring, for instance – avoided legal obstacles by purchasing licenses from the company. With few exceptions, Warhol was very cautious and regularly sought licensing and business partnership agreements before making art that appropriated from corporate sources."









 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



But Andy Warhol can sell his original paintings without a licensing agreement from Disney.



The works have already been licensed. There are no original Disney paintings by Warhol that weren't licensed.

From the book "Cutting Across Media":
"The better-known artists who have incorporated Disney characters into their works of art – Roy Lichtenstein, Andy Warhol and Keith Haring, for instance – avoided legal obstacles by purchasing licenses from the company. With few exceptions, Warhol was very cautious and regularly sought licensing and business partnership agreements before making art that appropriated from corporate sources."


I wish I could find the articles I read on this. I'm pretty sure he started out selling unlicensed paintings. For example his Campbell's Soup cans paintings. Edit: Seems Campbell's didn't sue until after his death when the estate started to sell prints. I didn't know he went the licensing route later on. Makes sense to avoid constant legal battles.

But that dos'e not take away from my earlier statements. An artist owns the copyright to their creation regardless if the subject matter falls under another copyright. If I drew a picture of Darth Vader and put it online, Disney cannot legally reproduce my painting of Darth Vader without my permission. And if it was a painting on canvas, a one off so to speak, I could sell that painting without a license from Disney.

Edit: A lot of factors are in play. I can't copy a copyrighted photo exactly in making my painting. And the more derivative the art, the less of a case Disney (or anyone else) would have. Disney can always sue, but its a grey area, not black and white. They wouldn't automatically win.

The plaintiff would also have to prove damages, either loss of income or harm to their property. Does the one painting I sold hurt them financially? No. If I sold a painting of Mickey Mouse shooting up could Disney sue over damaging of their brand? Yes, and they would probably win.

An artist is selling unlicensed paintings of Tiger Woods. Woods sued and lost the case.

http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/appeals-court-allows-artist-sell-painting-tiger-woods

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2015 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Well, this has taken a fascinating turn. eek I just assumed that the Mrs. Brisby pic was some unseen-by-me piece of official marketing art, because it was so spot-on. Glad to hear that the rights issues are being ironed out.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2015 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   adammcdaniel   (Member)

Well, this has taken a fascinating turn. eek I just assumed that the Mrs. Brisby pic was some unseen-by-me piece of official marketing art, because it was so spot-on. Glad to hear that the rights issues are being ironed out.

Mea culpa - I feel terrible about this, in retrospect. I was chomping at the bit then I first learned of this yesterday afternoon, and when I couldn't get an *immediate* response to some phone calls and an email, I impulsively jumped the gun and posted on this forum. I realize it's wasn't fair of me to do so without giving Intrada an opportunity to respond. I'm terribly sorry for any embarrassment this may have caused, and if anyone should have an egg on their face, it should be me.

Long story short, everything worked out just fine, and very amicably. I'm absolutely thrilled and honored to have my work included in this release. The front cover repurposes the film's original poster, and rightly so -- for nothing could best the illustration by the late, great Tim Hildebrandt.

Special thanks to the guys at Intrada for a job well done, and for being so amicable. Thanks, too, to everyone who shared their kind words of support and enthusiasm about my artwork.

But don't buy the soundtrack for the packaging...buy it for ***THE MUSIC***, which remains my personal favorite among all of Jerry Goldsmith's work. I can't wait to get my copy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2015 - 12:15 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Adam, I know this incident brought you to the board, but I hope you stick around! It's nice to have you.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2015 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Now that what I call ' A Happy Ending' big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2015 - 1:32 AM   
 By:   adammcdaniel   (Member)

Adam, I know this incident brought you to the board, but I hope you stick around! It's nice to have you.

Thanks so much. I just hope all this talk about the artwork (my own fault, I know) won't distract people from focusing on THE MUSIC, which is what this forum is really about. I own the previous TOR and Varese Sarabande scores, but am dying to hear the previously unreleased music.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   JackBlu78   (Member)

Anyone have a really nice larger image of this album cover than the 600X600?

Love the detail of the artwork.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Anyone have a really nice larger image of this album cover than the 600X600?

Love the detail of the artwork.


Here you go. smile

http://www.adammcdaniel.com/Gateway2NIMH.jpg

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   JackBlu78   (Member)

Thanks nice Image I was actually looking for the poster art design the main design Intrada used for the front of the booklet.

I can do with the smaller scan available. Really nice disc.... for those who haven't bought it yet it is a wonderful release one of Goldsmiths best scores.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2017 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Anyone have a really nice larger image of this album cover than the 600X600?

Love the detail of the artwork.


I didn't find cover art larger than 600X600 in a Google Image search, but I did find a high quality image of the poster. Recreating the Intrada cover shouldn't be so hard.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23309/4111517-7751886519-mcfJ0.jpg

Edit: I did a close recreation if your interested in using it. (1000X1000)

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2017 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   JackBlu78   (Member)

Very nice! Thanks.

 
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