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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Couldn't be much better than this. Brilliant.

The OST had very pronounced trumpet in the descending three note figure at the end of Rodrigo's theme (0.37-0.40 in the 'Prelude' sample) which never really made it to the Munich or NZ performances, but Nick and James have restored this to the forefront. That 'musical orgasm' is SO crucial to the piece, like some arrogant descending swordcut, and it's great to see it done justice at last. And Lucie is SO feeling ...


As long as we're already pointing out differences, the ending of the March on the Tadlow mix seems more balanced between the percussion and the brass, while the Munich recording is weighted towards the percussion. These clips are marvelous. I was sold at the announcement, now doubly so.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Aargh....these clips are great! Which makes it even harder for me to decide what to do. I sold off my old blue/"gold" Sony release a few months ago, intending to pick up the Sedares version instead. But now I wonder if I should buy this instead - DESPITE it being complete and chronological. The great performance on these clips certainly didn't make my choice easier...

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Aargh....these clips are great! Which makes it even harder for me to decide what to do. I sold off my old blue/"gold" Sony release a few months ago, intending to pick up the Sedares version instead. But now I wonder if I should buy this instead - DESPITE it being complete and chronological. The great performance on these clips certainly didn't make my choice easier...

I've tried to love the Sedares version, but the performance just doesn't work for me. (This has nothing to do with fidelity to the film performance -- it's just that it's a bit lifeless as a listening experience.) The performances on this Tadlow version sound stunning.

Thor, as you may know, I'm one of your few defenders on the whole C&C thing. I expect I'll find this new one a bit too long. But I still doubt I'll ever listen to the Sedares again.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)



Thor, as you may know, I'm one of your few defenders on the whole C&C thing. I expect I'll find this new one a bit too long. But I still doubt I'll ever listen to the Sedares again.


I'm inclined to agree.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Thor, as you may know, I'm one of your few defenders on the whole C&C thing. I expect I'll find this new one a bit too long. But I still doubt I'll ever listen to the Sedares again.

It's dispirating to have people complain about the length of the Tadlow CD - even before it's been recorded! Thankfully, I'm sure such views are very much in the minority.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Thor, as you may know, I'm one of your few defenders on the whole C&C thing. I expect I'll find this new one a bit too long. But I still doubt I'll ever listen to the Sedares again.

It's dispirating to have people complain about the length of the Tadlow CD - even before it's been recorded! Thankfully, I'm sure such views are very much in the minority.


You know what? You're absolutely right. I was trying to make a different point (that Thor shouldn't assume he'll prefer the Sedares recording, even though he, like I, prefers some pruning in general), but I clumsily seemed to be passing judgement on something I obviously haven't heard.

You're right. I was wrong. It won't be the last time.

Let me add, I'm really looking forward to this one.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Yep. I agree that it will be kind of long, but who cares? This is a score where it doesn't matter---and from the sound samples, one could easily edit down a shorter version that would sound much better than the KOCH, in my opinion.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's dispirating to have people complain about the length of the Tadlow CD - even before it's been recorded! Thankfully, I'm sure such views are very much in the minority.

And of course, again I have to repeat that it's not the length per se that is the issue, but the arrangement (and the C&C ideology that drives this recording).

If this was sold on the merit of the performance alone - based on those fabulous clips - this would be a sure-fire purchase, especially now that I have rid myself of the old Sony recording and need a replacement. But unfortunately (for me), there are other considerations.

In either case, I'll wait untill it's here before I make the final decision: Sedares or Tadlow.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Yep. I agree that it will be kind of long, but who cares? This is a score where it doesn't matter.

Agreed. I tend to support the notion of score highlights rather than complete scores, but not with masterpieces like this. With virtually all the true epics of the 50s/60s, the composers had months to write the score (a year in at least two cases) and it shows. Plus they obviously gave their all, knowing the scores would be noticed and that there'd be deluxe soundtrack albums etc. Truly I would not cut a note from any of these roadshow releases.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

James has placed a few more samples on display at tadlowmusic.com..

All absolutely brilliant.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   friend   (Member)

EL CID

If you mix the letters it makes "LE DIC"...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

James has placed a few more samples on display at tadlowmusic.com..

All absolutely brilliant.



thanks William. I can't wait!

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

EL CID

If you mix the letters it makes "LE DIC"...


Yes, and if you mix the letters of 'friend' it makes 'nerdif' which I feel must be an adjective like 'sportif'. I wonder what it could mean.

Now that we've medicated baby, let's return to the topic. Tadlow.com .... new samples. All good.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   friend   (Member)



WILLIAMDMCCRUM - in another order=

Cd Maw, I'll rim cum...

Wonder what that means...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I think it's clear that 'friend' has a fixation involving male genitalia and reversion to the womb. It's a recurrent thread in his fantasy products.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   friend   (Member)

Yes, I've made two posts that are sexual since 2001 - we can see a pattern being established. Thank you Dr Maxwell...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Yes, I've made two posts that are sexual since 2001 - we can see a pattern being established. Thank you Dr Maxwell...

He keeps count. Anal retentive as well. The pattern develops.

EL CID -NEW SAMPLES ... TADLOWMUSIC.COM. Ignore the swarms of benighted Almoravides.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Does anyone here have a way of contacting Tadlow?

I have some large, full-color photographic posters I got somewhere along the way, those Italian things with different photos patched together, but large and very nice color.

I was wondering if they'd want to use them as illustrations.

Just noticed above post. Maybe I'll try there.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Post a message at

http://p088.ezboard.com/fmiklosrozsatherzsaforum.showMessageRange?topicID=1511.topic&start=181&stop=192

His e-mail is private. But there's a very good chance that Mr. Fitzpatrick will reply to your kind offer there.

Or try contacting him at:

http://www.pragueorchestras.com/

New samples are up at:

http://www.pragueorchestras.com/elcid.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2008 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Monday evening. the American Film Institute's Silver Theatre showed a high definition video version of "El Cid." Each attendee received a copy of the 40-page program reproduction that will appear in the DVD boxed set. The screening was preceded by remarks from Mike Clark, film critic for USA Today, and by a spokesman for Genius Products who worked with the Weinstein Company in producing the DVD.

The picture quality was only so-so. The left-most portion of the picture was somewhat blurry. The theater management attributed this to "keystoning" of the picture. I'm not entirely sure what that means, but I believe that it has to do with the projector being off axis with the screen. Otherwise the picture was OK, with good color. Even at its best, however, the picture was not up to the 35mm print I saw at the AFI in 1993.

Regarding the music--another mixed bag. The sound was excellent, the music bright and clear. But the AFI dispensed with the overture in its entirety, perhaps reasoning (incorrectly as far as I was concerned) that after the speeches, no one would be interested in listening to a 4-minute overture before the start of the film proper. At the intermission point, following the final notes of the first act (and true to the DVD mastering), the entr'acte immediately began. The entr'acte played completely through, while the intermission card stayed on the screen. Only then did the house lights come up. Following the intermission, the second act began without further introductory music, with Rodrigo bursting through the doors of Alfonso's throne room. At the end of the film, the choral exit music was properly played.

Despite its limitations, I fear that this may be the best "El Cid" we may ever again see. I despair that any good 35mm prints remain. On a brighter note, the spokesman from Genius stated that the AFI may have future video showings of the other Bronston films as they are released to DVD, starting with "The Fall of the Roman Empire" in April. As I have only see FOTRE on a 27 inch screen, this will likely be my only chance to see it on a 40 foot screen.

 
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