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 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mr. Marshall: Re: "SKip INTO DARKNESS." I completely agree with you. I finally saw it today, finally receiving it from Netflix, and boy, am I glad I resisted the temptation to buy the Blu-ray as soon as it was released. I just couldn't get into it, despite one poster above declaring it "a masterpiece." No, no, no! Technically, it is well put together. But it just never grabbed me, and it wasn't until the closing credits when we hear Alexander Courage's original music for the first "Star Trek" TV series that I felt an emotional connection to the film. And I have no desire to see it again. I'd like to make a point about Benedict Cumberbatch's casting as a young version of Ricardo Montalban's classic Khan character. Just awful casting -- he has absolutely no charisma and I'm sure I'm not alone in not believing that he could grow up to be the dynamic Khan. I realize that Benedict C is the soup of the month and has been seen all over the place and will soon be seen as the odd Wiki Leaks guy. But he was SO wrong for this role, and while I don't blame him for the film rarely coming alive for me, nor did he help. I think a serious problem was that the actress who plays the bad general's daughter will eventually become romantically involved with Jim Kirk and give birth to his son (probably to be dealt with in the 3rd of this series), but we never see much warmth from her, not like the late Bibi Besch in #s 2 and 3 of the movies with Shatner), and I think some warmth was needed to make us start to care when we really didn't care. So to GOLDSMITH- DAKING, I totally disagree. "Into Darkness" is NOT "awesome"!!!

Note: I repeated a few of the above sentiments in a posting about Cumberbatch, so please don't berate me for redundancy!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Enterprise was a much better show than a lot of people gave it credit for. But no matter how good it was, I think there was such enormous burn out on the franchise that they could've made every season better than Deadwood or Breaking Bad and it wouldn't have raised the ratings any.

It was showing much improvement in season four under Manny Coto. The "Through a Mirror Darkly" 2-parter was the high point for me.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Enterprise was a much better show than a lot of people gave it credit for. But no matter how good it was, I think there was such enormous burn out on the franchise that they could've made every season better than Deadwood or Breaking Bad and it wouldn't have raised the ratings any.

It was showing much improvement in season four under Manny Coto. The "Through a Mirror Darkly" 2-parter was the high point for me.

Greg Espinoza



quite correct, they should have given it another year with Manny Coto. I am sure it could have made it to the full 7 years if they had let him run it they way he wanted.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Forget STAR TREK V....

ST: INTO DARKNESS is where the movie franchise jumped the shark. It will be a miracle if the next one is any good as long as JJ is in charge, and STAR WARS fans should be afraid, very afraid.

As for the TV show ENTERPRISE, I liked it and was mad as hell when it got cancelled, but then I still miss VOYAGER.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

RoryR:

As uninvolving as I found "Into Darkness," I really don't blame the director. I think the script needed some tweaking that it just didn't get. And I agree about "ST: V," which I've long had on DVD as well as the big boxed set of ALL the original cast "Star Trek" movies on Blu-ray, especially since it came right after "IV," which was my favorite of the franchise!

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Guys,

there are a million topics about STAR TREK
can we pls. stick to the op?

thank you for your cooperation, citizens
smile
bruce

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Your title for this reads "ENTERPRISE Shows how it 'Khan' be done!" so some of us thought it was permissible to discuss the most recent version of Khan, even though, yes, you DID write to "Skip Into Darkness." Sorry to stray from your original premise, but I've found that discussions that DON'T stray at least a little bit are lucky to fill even one page of comments here.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Your title for this reads "ENTERPRISE Shows how it 'Khan' be done!" so some of us thought it was permissible to discuss the most recent version of Khan,

Of course it is!
I refer to side discussions of the various Manifestations of STAR TREK in film or tv that have nothing to say about the topic at hand
Skip seeing ID, but feel free to discuss its (mis)treatment of the Khan character
bruce

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

thanks bruce

 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2013 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

The final episode of Enterprise was just dreadful, it has to be one of the worst pieces of Trek writing ever. Riker and Troi could not save it.

Not only the last epsiode, that last "Terra Prime" story arc was dreadful. And I'm actually one of those few who liked to watch the show.

But back to topic, I agree about Spiner. And skip Into Darkness indeed!

 
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