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 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

Is there any chance that RAINTREE COUNTY might be released on Warner Archives if not on regular release format? For whatever its faults, its still a worth while look.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

It was "announced" several years back.

Nothing less than a full restoration on Blu-ray disc would satisfy me now.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Does anyone know what the longest currently available version of “Raintree County” is? I’ve read that the original length was between 184 and 187 minutes, and I believe that the most commonly released version to theaters ran 168 minutes (the New York Times review listed it at this length).

Amazon lists 5 VHS versions:

1985 (full screen): 173 minutes
1994 (widescreen): 173 minutes
1997 (full screen): 160 minutes
1999 (full screen): 160 minutes
1999 (widescreen): 160 minutes

The 1994 laserdisc is listed at 168 minutes.

Does anyone know how long the current version shown by Turner Classic Movies runs?

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Believe that this is the so called Roadshow length...188 minutes.

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/raintree-county

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Believe that this is the so called Roadshow length...188 minutes.

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/raintree-county


I wonder why this version has never made it to home video. I assume that the elements that are usually used for video transfers (negative, duplicate negative, interpositive) are at the shorter lengths. And apparently the elements require some cleanup work even for DVD release, else we would have seen a DVD by now.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

yes, based on posts from threads here a couple years back now, warner was supposedly looking for all the elements and clean-up work was announced. so i did know, as did we all, that something was in the works. a full-blown effort, one assumed.

and then nothing. no news. no reports. no announcements that its an impossible task and it was dropped. no progress reports.

nothing.

I just find it odd, with so many on this sight with insight and connections, that somebody doesn't spill the beans. wink

I'm reading the book right now, and it's damn good. the movie captures the essence of it all better than i thought after seeing the film, and the character of Susana Drake, as explained in the book, IS Elizabeth Taylor.

so.............

geeze, it would be nice to see this. just hoping it's still in the works.

thanks for the replys.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2011 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

I saved the Raintree County from the April 5 TCM broadcast on DVR, and it is a hard 180min.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2011 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Check out www.raintreecounty.com.

A website devoted to all things Raintree County...including the film and the score!

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2011 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   James Corry   (Member)

Why not E-Mail the archive and ask them?

J.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2011 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

on the running time...

the TCM web site list (oddly): 183, 184 -187 minutes!

Being half way through the book, I'm sure that the longer running time would make the film better and explain some dangling threads.

oh well. . .

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2011 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Why not E-Mail the archive and ask them?

J.



WB doesn't have an e-mail address where you can make requests or ask
specific questions about possible upcoming releases. At least I've never
noticed one on their site. If you e-mail them through their regular web
address you don't get any replies.

Den

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2011 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   philip*eric   (Member)


Warner Archives is on facebook and oft times they do answer specific questions -

you just have to be a member on facebook in order to post.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2011 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

on the running time...

the TCM web site list (oddly): 183, 184 -187 minutes!


The TCM website/database just reflects its source, which is the American Film Institute Catalog. The Catalog lists those exact alternate running times, which are the reported lengths of the original premiere showings of "Raintree County." Those times do not necessarily reflect the length of the version actually shown on TCM. As "lexedo" notes above, he has timed the most recent broadcast version at 180 minutes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I love this movie (maybe more than Gone with the wind) and I would love to see a collector's edition restored Bluray!!!
But I don't think it's gonna happen..

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I'm glad you all appreciate this movie. For reasons yet unclear, I've always had a fondness for it, too. I never saw it in its original release, though I was aware of it. (Things Civil War did not much appeal to me at the time. I was much more interested in depictions of the ancient world. I even went to the Civil War Centennial roadshow re-release of GWTW, and enjoyed the first half well enough, but found the second draggy. Of course, let us remember that I was 12 back then, in 1961.)

I found I had a purportedly "roadshow length" VHS recording I'd made from TCM at some point, back when they were showing this print, and I watched most of the first half one night, as I was transferring it to DVD-R. I actually found it a crashing bore; seemed to be composed of shots of people walking eternally up and down that road in front of Taylor's house. Reminded me of that old Twilight Zone episode, also set at the end of the Civil War, with people eternally walking on a road in front of a woman's home... Seemed to take forever.

it was only in the 70's, when a b**t release of the long out-of-print 2-lp set was around, that I got the score and fell in love with it. Wonderful score. Makes the movie; gives it nuances I just don't find in the film, itself.

And, when I can sit with it, I enjoy the longer version better, with the additional scenes of Garwood Jones, as well as a nasty little violent edge to Tom Drake's character.

So, all in all, I still have a fondness for this film, and, were it to, finally, be released, I'd certainly get it.

Even thought the track record of studios releasing roadshow prints is, to put it mildly, spotty. I still refuse to buy the DVD's of either HAWAII or 1776.

Oh well.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Ryan Brennan   (Member)

I saved the Raintree County from the April 5 TCM broadcast on DVR, and it is a hard 180min.

If you subtract the Overture, Intermission, Ent'racte, and Exit Music you've probably got the whole movie right there.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

Even thought the track record of studios releasing roadshow prints is, to put it mildly, spotty. I still refuse to buy the DVD's of either HAWAII or 1776.

Or the DVDs of THE ALAMO (1960) and IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I saved the Raintree County from the April 5 TCM broadcast on DVR, and it is a hard 180min.

If you subtract the Overture, Intermission, Ent'racte, and Exit Music you've probably got the whole movie right there.


Of course, this is correct. People somehow always forget about these things being included in the original running times.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Even thought the track record of studios releasing roadshow prints is, to put it mildly, spotty. I still refuse to buy the DVD's of either HAWAII or 1776.

Or the DVDs of THE ALAMO (1960) and IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD!



The DVD (and now blu-ray) of Mad World is, in fact, the roadshow version that 90% of the people in the world saw, probably more than 90%.

The longer version, as has been said ad nauseum until one wants to vomit on the ground smile played only four weeks and only in a couple of cities. Four weeks. However many people who saw it in LA at the Dome during the first four weeks (I'm not sure where else it opened in November of 1963 concurrent with the Dome) are the number of people who've seen it. One month in, Mr. Kramer made what he considered his final edit of the film, after having seen it with audiences for four weeks. That cut version became the official roadshow version that played exclusively in those engagements everywhere and was the version everyone fell in love with (or not). When it went to general release it was shorter but not footage-wise - overture, entr'acte and playout music were all removed.

So, anyone who doesn't buy the DVD or blu-ray because it's not the version they saw and fell in love with is sort of being silly.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2011 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

So, anyone who doesn't buy the DVD or blu-ray because it's not the version they saw and fell in love with is sort of being silly.

Well, feel free to call me silly anytime, Mr. Haineshisway. I have 1776, HAWAII, THE ALAMO and IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD in their full length versions on laser disc and am content with them. I just find it odd that since these longer versions are (were?) available for their laser disc incarnations, why were only the shorter versions released on DVD?

 
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