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 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Perky_Norm   (Member)

Hi folks!

Like many here it seems, I'm a huge fan of the double-LP presentations of both Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. I'm fortunate in owning mint condition pressings of each, and a very good record deck to play them on. I tend to listen to these more than any other version at the moment. It's not just nostalgia (though that plays a part) - there's just something about the way the tracks are sequenced in each case that make for a superb listening experience, away from the confines of the films. Empire also happens to sound absolutely stunning too (better than any official CD, bar the Gerhardt re-recording).

Such a pity that Jedi came out when soundtracks sales were (apparently) on the decline, and it also coincided with CDs being tooted as 'the next big thing' and consequently LPs were just about to begin their decline. Consequently 'the powers that be' decided a single LP only was the safest bet this time around... Whilst I still listen to the single LP Jedi release now and again, there's just too much actual music from the film missing to make it as enjoyable a listen as the first two.

1. Does anybody know if a double-LP for Jedi was originally planned (I would suspect the answer was yes given the success of the films, and the soundtracks), and if so, does an 'official' track-listing still exist? I'd love to know what might have been, and to be able to recreate it too, using the various versions I already own.

2. If the track-listing for a double-LP is unknown (or never planned) have any of you ever made one yourselves? What tracks would you choose, which versions (concert or film, or a mixture) and what would your ideal sequencing be per LP?

Cheers!

- John


P.S. Wouldn't it be fab if (now there seems to be a fast-growing resurgence of interest in vinyl, not to mention increasing sales & new releases!) they re-released limited edition double-LP sets for each film with full analogue mastering as per the originals? (instead of the cheap practice used by many these days of merely 'sticking' the 16-bit CD versions onto lacquer!) Would be a great excuse to finally get a double-LP set of Jedi at last too wink Would love to see Kevin Grey (of the recent Blade Runner LP mastering) take a shot at all three...

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I turned immediately to my handy-dandy Chris Malone essays to see if he had such a thing in among its contents. Alas, nothing really helpful. Which is too bad, 'cause I'd kinda like to know myself!

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR remembers very well to read years ago George Lucas saying on an interview that there was never a plan to release two discs of Return of the Jedi. "We felt that there wasn't enough music to do a double album", in his words.

Yes, crazy bastards!

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

YOR remembers very well to read years ago George Lucas saying on an interview that there was never a plan to release two discs of Return of the Jedi. "We felt that there wasn't enough music to do a double album", in his words.
Yes, crazy bastards!



Heck, Ock gladly settle for theoretical tracklist!

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

For sure, if Williams had had 2 LPs with which to play, he would have included the concert arrangement of "Jabba The Hutt". Also, it seems he was involved in some sort with Gerhardt's album re-recording, at least giving it his blessing, so it seems that tracks such as "Fight in the Dungeon", "Battle in the Forest" and "Heroic Ewok" would have made it to an official 2-LP set.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

YOR remembers very well to read years ago George Lucas saying on an interview that there was never a plan to release two discs of Return of the Jedi. "We felt that there wasn't enough music to do a double album", in his words.


Yes, I remember reading this too, but ever since the "Greedo shoots first" debacle, I've learned to take everything Lucas says with a grain of salt.

Clearly, there's enough material in ROTJ to (more than) fill a double album.


Also, to the OP: If I recall correctly, if you're looking for double-LP CD-R programming ideas(particularly using the 4-disc Star Wars Anthology as your main source) , you can use the search engine because I think there were a few rough ideas for one in the discussions on this topic from a month or two ago. (Also in the "Empire" double-LP thread)...

If none of those interest you, you can always come up with your own. Just pick the tracks you like, mix it up a bit, start and end each "LP side" with a bang, keep each side around or under 20:00 and have fun!

(I almost always find my own programming more interesting than the unimaginative track sequences arrived at by studio suits...)

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Very disappointing purchasing the soundtrack back in 83
and discovering it was only a single LP. Oh, and the fact that Lapti Nek was included to boot.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Very disappointing purchasing the soundtrack back in 83
and discovering it was only a single LP. Oh, and the fact that Lapti Nek was included to boot.


Yep, "Lapti Nek" sucks all right....

...and "Jedi Rocks" didn't improve things much.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

What? I love "Lapti Nek." I just wish all the other source music were available.
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I longed for a double LP release, back in the day. Although there are plenty of quibbles with the sound / mastering of the '97 release, I'm immensely pleased that there's so much music from the film (and its two predecessors) available now (score and source music alike).

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Although there are plenty of quibbles with the sound / mastering of the '97 release, I'm immensely pleased that there's so much music from the film (and its two predecessors) available now (score and source music alike).

I agree. I think people are *way* too hard on the 1997 2-disc Special Edition releases. I guess my ears aren't finely attuned enough to hear the sound/mastering problems people have been complaining about all these years.

Admittedly, I don't like some of the connected cues and segues/"suites" presentations, but at least the music is there, and in film order.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

JEDI is one of those scores that once the '93 expanded edition came out, I have been messing with my own sequencing, sometimes film order, sometimes a Williams-inspired album sequence. For the latter you really have to try and think like Williams, the concert classical model that he follows and where he places his concert arrangements in the context of score cues/suites. Currently, I have a 78-minute film-order version on my iPod, using tracks from the '93 edition and the end credits from the '97 2-disc set. This thread, though, has inspired me to perhaps revisit this once again and sequence a 2-LP set more in line with the ESB 2-LP version.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

JEDI is one of those scores that once the '93 expanded edition came out, I have been messing with my own sequencing, sometimes film order, sometimes a Williams-inspired album sequence. For the latter you really have to try and think like Williams, the concert classical model that he follows and where he places his concert arrangements in the context of score cues/suites. Currently, I have a 78-minute film-order version on my iPod, using tracks from the '93 edition and the end credits from the '97 2-disc set. This thread, though, has inspired me to perhaps revisit this once again and sequence a 2-LP set more in line with the ESB 2-LP version.

I've mentioned elseswhere that I've tried this in the past. I just could never get my head in the kind of place it has to be to come up with the Star Wars of Empire 2-LPs. You look at it in the light of C&C and you think they must have been insane. I mean, what takes you from Wookie Prisoner to Blast Off? Or says "Opening titles? I know! End it with the Space Slug!" But it's GORGEOUS.

I will end with my usual disclaimer of "Yes, OF COURSE I'm glad we got the anthology and the '97 CDs!" But you have to appreciate the artistry of putting the albums out as stand alone musical experiences.

Tom, I'm very interested to see what you come up with.

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

JEDI is one of those scores that once the '93 expanded edition came out, I have been messing with my own sequencing, sometimes film order, sometimes a Williams-inspired album sequence. For the latter you really have to try and think like Williams, the concert classical model that he follows and where he places his concert arrangements in the context of score cues/suites. Currently, I have a 78-minute film-order version on my iPod, using tracks from the '93 edition and the end credits from the '97 2-disc set. This thread, though, has inspired me to perhaps revisit this once again and sequence a 2-LP set more in line with the ESB 2-LP version.

If you come up with a relatively simple sequence, Tom, could you perhaps post it here? I'd also be interested in what you come up with! I love that kind of stuff...

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I agree. I think people are *way* too hard on the 1997 2-disc Special Edition releases. I guess my ears aren't finely attuned enough to hear the sound/mastering problems people have been complaining about all these years.

Admittedly, I don't like some of the connected cues and segues/"suites" presentations, but at least the music is there, and in film order.


Agreed as well. I loved the 4-disc "Anthology" box set released in 1993, but once the 1997 2-disc releases came out, they became my go-to sources for Star Wars music. Like you, my only complaint is how much of the battle music is put together into really long suites, when individually they're long enough to be their own tracks. But (also like you) I think they sound perfectly fine to my ears. I've enjoyed them a great deal over the years.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

This is something Ive been meaning to work on for over a year. Got all three double CD albums into iTunes. I love Star Wars and Empire "as is". But there is a bunch of silly stuff in Jedi I need to edit out. Especially in the beginning.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

What do you mean by "silly stuff"?

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

What do you mean by "silly stuff"?

I assume he means "Lapti Nek"/"Jedi Rocks", large portions of "Bounty for a Wookiee", etc.

Am I right, Solium?

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

"Bounty for a Wookiee" is not silly!

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"Bounty for a Wookiee" is not silly!

I stand corrected, and bow to your wisdom, Yor...

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Good for you!

 
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