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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   groovemeister   (Member)

Thanks Lukas and all involved.
Already looking forward to Final Frontier complete wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

Give them a chance, plenty of time to get ST:V out for ComicCon smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Lord Kruge of The West   (Member)

I see a lot of complaints/gripes here. I personally am well pleased, as I usually am when an old favourite - and Star Trek III is certainly that - gets an expanded release, and surely fans of this score should be grateful to FSM/Retrograde records for this (and hopefully some later entries in the series too, Star Trek V especially) . As for dialogue on a movie score CD, I am not necessarily against this - I had a bad experience with Flash Gordon (1980), with music by Queen, which was preety well ruined by the - mostly meaningless - dialogue which popped up throughout. Personally I loved Leonard Nimoy`s reciting of the "Space, The Final Frontier..." on Star Trek II, and similarly had no beef with dialogue being used on Four Weddings and a Funeral and Angela`s Ashes, where it did not overwhelm the music and at least seemed relevant somehow, and on Watership Down, I feel that Malcolm Williamson`s Prologue music and Michael Hordern`s narration have become utterly inseparable. And let`s not forget, Composers do write pieces to include narration, such as Jerry Goldsmith (Christus Apollo), Aaron Copland (Lincoln Portrait) and Sergei Prokofiev (Peter and The Wolf) for example. Oh and I believe now I only have one great 80s score awaiting a aproper release - Jerry Goldsmith`s Gremlins.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

It seems that for this one, FSM is taking a creative leaf from the way Intrada released Alien and The Wind and The Lion by giving us the original album arrangement (with some cues being very different from their in-movie counterparts), and I welcome it.

I'm actually very choosy when it comes to getting soundtrack CDs, but this and The Wrath Of Khan meets the bill in terms of must-have, virtually perfect releases.

The Dialogue on Trek II:

It was on the original album, so it would have been odd for it not to be on this release. It very much serves emotionally and traditionally a part of that score.

If I desire not to hear the dialog, I simply play the Alternate cue that follows. It does sound quite different, but not so different as to be an issue for me.

Dialogue on Trek III:

From what I've read, since there was no dialogue on the original album, it is unlikely that it would be placed in with the score on this release.

If it WAS placed within the score, the non-dialogue version of the likely affected cues are on Disk 2 without the Dialog, making it virtually moot anyway.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Reboesque   (Member)

Pre-ordered. Cannot wait.

Although am slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   propinquity   (Member)

You really can't beat the combo of 1) great music 2) a terrific-sounding remaster (at least from the samples I've heard) and 3) that gorgeous cover art. I'm intend to make a playlist combining the best of II and III. For those geeks out there, play "Enterprise Clears Moorings" in the car in the morning if you have an automatic garage door opener. And try not to laugh if someone in the car insists on renaming "Kirk's Explosive Reply" as "Kirk's Explosive Diarrhea." Kids.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- It was on the original album, so it would have been odd for it not to be on this release.
- From what I've read, since there was no dialogue on the original album


Why does the original album even matter? It seems to me that a lot of the focus on making these soundtracks are more oriented at preserving the structure and format of the original albums than presenting something new. What's the point? This newest soundtrack release is for all intents and purposes NOT the original album, so why should we restrict these expanded releases to the original album when those were just a product reflective of their time? It's the music that I want, not the product it used to be on. The original album is still out there.

- If it WAS placed within the score, the non-dialogue version of the likely affected cues are on Disk 2 without the Dialog, making it virtually moot anyway.

That's what FSM said about the alternate track, but it turned out the unaffected cues did sound different. And since there is already a difference in the way the main title sounds compared to what is heard from the original album, I wouldn't render that a moot point.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

Nice one! That would have been very cool!

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

Nice one! That would have been very cool!


Okay, I'll be the dope who asks: What am I missing here?

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

Nice one! That would have been very cool!


Okay, I'll be the dope who asks: What am I missing here?


It's part of the destruct code sequence for the Enterprise that Kirk, Scotty & Chekov relay to the computer.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

- It was on the original album, so it would have been odd for it not to be on this release.
- From what I've read, since there was no dialogue on the original album


Why does the original album even matter? It seems to me that a lot of the focus on making these soundtracks are more oriented at preserving the structure and format of the original albums than presenting something new. What's the point? This newest soundtrack release is for all intents and purposes NOT the original album, so why should we restrict these expanded releases to the original album when those were just a product reflective of their time? It's the music that I want, not the product it used to be on. The original album is still out there.
The original album is still out there for TWOK, but it is out of print, which means the original album would not be.

By removing Spock's dialogue, you are removing part of the score. We can't literally have everything, so the choice to keep Spock's dialogue for the epologue was expected, and in this case, IMHO, the right thing to do.

The score is simply too well known, and in effect, that dialogue is part of the music.

This release is designed to be the definitive, last word on presenting the score on CD, and to make prior releases unnecessary.

With the exception of the overlay in the Mutara Nebula battle sequences, that is exactly what we got. I no longer need the GNP CD.

Perhaps it would have suited you more to have the non-dialogue version as a bonus, exactly the same track, but then the question comes up: where is the alternate cue from before they added the Genesis planet / Spocks's Casket sequence?

You've made up your mind on which side you are on as to whether the dialogue should be there in TWOK, but from FSM's perspective, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
- If it WAS placed within the score, the non-dialogue version of the likely affected cues are on Disk 2 without the Dialog, making it virtually moot anyway.

That's what FSM said about the alternate track, but it turned out the unaffected cues did sound different. And since there is already a difference in the way the main title sounds compared to what is heard from the original album, I wouldn't render that a moot point.


The main titles sound slightly different (a bit more blaster beam at the very opening of the track), but really nothing significant.

I strongly suspect that we will not get the prologue vocals for Star Trek III anyway, and the fretting here is not really necessary.

If it is a criteria for you purchasing the album, I'll come on here after listening to the score, and will let you know whether the dialogue is present or not. smile

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Pre-ordered. Cannot wait.

Although am slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.


That code is as hard to figure out like 1 2 3 4 5 in SPACEBALLS
big grin

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

This is really terrific news. Trek II and III belong together.

I'll throw my hat into the 2-CD camp. I don't know about the other tracks, but Stealing the Enterprise will be different enough that I want both. I'll assume that will be the case with the other alternate tracks. So why not go ahead and break it into film score and original LP? Makes perfect sense to me.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I've never quite understood the bad reputation this film and score has among fans. The film is a great companion piece to Khan and one hell of a lot better than most sequels that come out today and I actually find I enjoy its score more than Khan's. There's something to be said for its more meditative nature.

I agree. the score is superior and the film as good or better
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   IntoTheVoid   (Member)

Both CD covers come from the theatrical posters:


Well then, let's hope the cover for the re-release of Star Trek IV looks like this...

http://www.impawards.com/1986/star_trek_iv_ver3.html

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

Nice one! That would have been very cool!


Okay, I'll be the dope who asks: What am I missing here?


It's part of the destruct code sequence for the Enterprise that Kirk, Scotty & Chekov relay to the computer.


Which I believe is the exact same security code used in the original series for self destruct.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

slightly disappointed this is not numbered as FSM Vol. 1B2B3.

Nice one! That would have been very cool!


Okay, I'll be the dope who asks: What am I missing here?


It's part of the destruct code sequence for the Enterprise that Kirk, Scotty & Chekov relay to the computer.


Geek alert!
smile

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

If only the klingons knew about "123continuity". If only.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Brilliant score finally gets the attention it deserves. Thank you, Lukas and co!

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Prospero   (Member)

I wonder: has this been released to distract us from the "Goldsmith Gold" conversation?

Kidding. Wonderful release here. I've been waiting more than a quarter of a century for it.

I remember giving my day money, so he could write a check to GNP Crescendo (back in 1990) for their cassette releases of ST II & ST III. Seeing this release made me as happy as the moment I saw their ad in Starlog.

 
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