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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2010 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Glad to see this, but as it's not a limited edition (is it?) then I'll hang on for ordering until I find out what LLL's got planned. If there might be a 'Wolfen' release soon then I can save on the overseas postage costs by getting the two together.

No it's not a limited release.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Gosh, all this love for James Horner, the composer we (not i) love to hate!
This score release will probably be the last time James will be so universally celebrated.

i think we need a theme song for this thread.
How 'bout "We may never love like this Again"

ahahahahahaha!!!!!!


I'm sure then that you'll be thrilled to know that Horner is still an overrated pretentious mega-geek in my book. My spontaneous reactions when hearing his "space music" (including ST II & III and KRULL) range from "Gee, isn't this Jerry Goldsmith?" (ST II) to laughter (opening track from KRULL with its shrieking high-pitched girls choir).

Hey, no lovefest should go unsullied. Da guy's a bum! Take my copy of ST III...please!

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

I come back to this great news. Ordered! big grin

I had a feeling this would be coming after the marvellous release of WOK.

I'm looking forward to hearing "A Fighting Chance To Live" in all its glory.

Thanks FSM! I applaud you for all your hard work.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

But in the case of Star Trek II I did not mind the dialogue in the End Credits ... somehow it had a kind of charm for me.

Agreed. I actually enjoyed the Nimoy voice-over with the credits.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I come back to this great news. Ordered! big grin

I had a feeling this would be coming after the marvellous release of WOK.

I'm looking forward to hearing "A Fighting Chance To Live" in all its glory.

Thanks FSM! I applaud you for all your hard work.


I am absolutely thrilled that TREKS II and III are now available complete with the original poster art, liner notes, remastered, etc!

"A Fighting Chance to Live" is my favorite previously unreleased cue. "Bird of Prey Decloacks" is my favorite track from the old CD ... now I can hear them both together!

James Horner is known by the Hollywood orchestras for his challenging brass writing. I remember reading the term "flutter tongued brass" in THE WRATH OF KHAN liner notes. I didn't know such a thing existed! I am not sure if "A Fighting Chance to Live" has flutter tongued brass going on, but I do love the violent trumpet (?) and french horn (?) clusters that bubble up excitedly when the Klingons board the Enterprise. James Horner definitely has a knack for exposing emotion (almost as good as John Williams) through music. Really anxious for this one.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

rickO,

The results of some of his Brass writing can be heard in Krull and Battle Beyond The Stars.

It's funny when you realize that the players are having great difficulty keeping up. smile

The thing is, I don't hear that much beyond his early-mid 80s material. He seems to have toned down in that regard, and has gotten pretty much perfect performances as a result.

I like the way the orchestra struggles with the music though, it adds to the energy of the music in a way.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The thing is, I don't hear that much beyond his early-mid 80s material. He seems to have toned down in that regard, and has gotten pretty much perfect performances as a result.

I like the way the orchestra struggles with the music though, it adds to the energy of the music in a way.


I have to agree. In some ways, the loss of that youthful exuberance that has made him wisely tone down some of the harder-to-play sequences in his scores is unfortunately part of the reason why I find his scoring style less interesting these days. It's sort of a catch-22.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

rickO,

The results of some of his Brass writing can be heard in Krull and Battle Beyond The Stars.

It's funny when you realize that the players are having great difficulty keeping up. smile

The thing is, I don't hear that much beyond his early-mid 80s material. He seems to have toned down in that regard, and has gotten pretty much perfect performances as a result.

I like the way the orchestra struggles with the music though, it adds to the energy of the music in a way.


I really enjoy his older scores more, and KRULL is the crown jewel of my Horner collection. KRULL dilutes his Star Trek music and morphs it into something new.

I feel that Horner is a true perfectionist. To my ears his music has always sounded pitch perfect (well, not Battle Beyond but his later works). It's very polished. Horner is a true pro in his craft despite his well known pitfalls. wink

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm perfectly pleased with the original Arista album myself, but let me just commend FSM on their decision to include the LP program as well (especially for those who do not already have the old version).

Great artwork too, much better than the old album.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

The thing is, I don't hear that much beyond his early-mid 80s material. He seems to have toned down in that regard, and has gotten pretty much perfect performances as a result.

I like the way the orchestra struggles with the music though, it adds to the energy of the music in a way.


I have to agree. In some ways, the loss of that youthful exuberance that has made him wisely tone down some of the harder-to-play sequences in his scores is unfortunately part of the reason why I find his scoring style less interesting these days. It's sort of a catch-22.



I know it's a taboo subject, but some of the unreleased "Avatar" cues are a triumphant return to that, and I'm not talking about that heavily edited 'isolated score' stupid eBay joke of an "album" either. I mean Horner's unedited and often unused cues. A lot of Goldenthal-esque trilling brass in there among other big fanfare goodies. Believe me if that presentation were released a lot of opinions about Horner's biggest score would change for the better.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I find myself enjoying his earlier and his later scores, but in slightly different ways.

A Beautiful Mind, Bicentennial Man, Braveheart and yes, Titanic are actually superb scores.

His reuse can be infuriating sometimes, but there's no denying that Glory, Apollo 13 and Legends of the Fall are not fantastic scores.

He mellowed over the years, refined his sound, but lost the exuberance and hunger of a young upstart we heard in Battle, Trek II and (to an extent) Trek III and Cocoon.

John Williams has also changed since his mid-late 70's scored up till The Last Crusade. He's become more restrained, and in that restraint, some beautiful music has emerged in a way that would have been more raw in earlier years. Compare the Star Wars Prequels to the Original Trilogy scores. There is a different feel to essentially the same basic material.

I loke that, and enjoy those differences. smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The thing is, I don't hear that much beyond his early-mid 80s material. He seems to have toned down in that regard, and has gotten pretty much perfect performances as a result.

I like the way the orchestra struggles with the music though, it adds to the energy of the music in a way.


I have to agree. In some ways, the loss of that youthful exuberance that has made him wisely tone down some of the harder-to-play sequences in his scores is unfortunately part of the reason why I find his scoring style less interesting these days. It's sort of a catch-22.



I know it's a taboo subject, but some of the unreleased "Avatar" cues are a triumphant return to that, and I'm not talking about that heavily edited 'isolated score' stupid eBay joke of an "album" either. I mean Horner's unedited and often unused cues. A lot of Goldenthal-esque trilling brass in there among other big fanfare goodies. Believe me if that presentation were released a lot of opinions about Horner's biggest score would change for the better.


Horner's edgy brass writing is similar to Goldenthal's. Goldenthal does get those trills going a lot!

Love your handle by the way.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

"You give a mouse a cookie and he's going to want a glass of milk."

the mouse = me
the cookie = expanded Star Trek II & III
the glass of milk = all the complete Star Treks


HEY! Landstander!

Awesome taste in cartoonery... Home Movies is one of the only comedies in my film collection, up there with Fawlty Towers. Absolutely my kind of humour - just hits me peculiarly.

"Today, we`re making 'HIIISSTORY'!..."

(not to mention the Evil George Washington and Annie Oakley...)
(Septopus...)
(the wisdom of McGuirk)
(Freaky-Outy...)

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I just have to add one more thing to this post. There is this little motif that I call the mystery motif -- it's three notes, and I think it's a fragment of the Main Title theme. It's usually heard in regard to Spock's death and resurrection. This motif can be heard on "Spock's Cabin" on high strings, again in "The Mind Meld" and is developed a lot in "Returning to Vulcan." Love this one!

And I have a question for Lukas Kendall if he would like to answer.... I was watching the film and I noticed a short cue in between "The Mind Meld" and "Stealing the Enterprise," featuring that "mystery motif". Is this on the CD? The last half of this cue sounds like tracked music. Thanks.

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2010 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

One thing that would be of great interest, might be a behind the scenes look at the Star Trek II and Star Trek III soundtrack releases.

I'd LOVE to get some of those technical details, or maybe some notes about what those at FSM/SAE/Retrograde went through to get this out there !!!

This strikes me as a great opportunity to provide a detailed insight into what it really takes for these works of art to be created and released.

Hanging out on these boards, I get an inkling, but what was the process? What were the dilemmas and choices that had to be made?

Maybe that would make a great article for FSM Online?

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I have a question, and this just popped right in there. In the film, right after Kirk swears he'll do what he can to save Spock, there is a short musical cue that lasts no more than 25 seconds. I've looked over the track listings on the complete score section but have nothing to indicate that it's there. In chronological order, the cue would come right after Mind Meld, but since mind meld is the same length as the album and that the next track is stealing the enterprise, I wonder if this is one of the cues that was not included.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 3:38 AM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

Jeyl, I believe your question is addressed in this thread:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=68861&forumID=1&archive=0

"I asked this on another post but you might not see it, so I was wondering... is all of the music in the film on the CD? I watched the movie and I heard a very short cue in between "The Mind Meld" and "Stealing the Enterprise." It's from the scene just after Sarek mind melds with Kirk, and Kirk decides to do all he can to help. Thanks!"

"I'm not Lukas, but I hope no one minds if I answer this. That cue you're mentioning is tracked with part of "Spock Endures Pon Farr" and "The Klingon's Plan". I think this was even addressed in the liner notes."

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I have a question, and this just popped right in there. In the film, right after Kirk swears he'll do what he can to save Spock, there is a short musical cue that lasts no more than 25 seconds. I've looked over the track listings on the complete score section but have nothing to indicate that it's there. In chronological order, the cue would come right after Mind Meld, but since mind meld is the same length as the album and that the next track is stealing the enterprise, I wonder if this is one of the cues that was not included.

LMAO, I beat you to it.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

this is one of the cues that was not included.

then this release is NOT COMPLETE, DAMMITT!
I guess i will have to wait another 25 years to finally . get the COMPLeTE SCORE

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2010 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

@Warlok

Hehe, it's always fun when somebody else gets the reference. It's a truly great comedy. I love how Brendon took some of the rock opera ideas in Home Movies and carried them on to epic levels in Metalocalypse.

 
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