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Goldsmith would have done a good job on the Bond films but the series was very fortunate to have John Barry score 11 of the movies. Barry was able to come up with a strong theme, something Goldsmith admired him for.
Would be interesting to have seen how Barry would score, for example:
A Patch Of Blue
The Omen
The Russia House
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Sorry if someone else has already posted this thought, but I wonder how he would have felt about interpolating the obligatory "Monty Norman James Bond Theme" into his own score(s). I'm sure he would have created a great score, but somehow I never thought of Mr. Goldsmith as one who would do "Barry Lite". No offense either direction intended.
He couldn't have hated it any more than John Barry. One gets the impression Barry wanted to use the Bond theme as little as possible and often it was down to the directors / producers to push him along
Cheers
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In a way, scoring The Spy Who Loved Me would have been a no-win scenario for Goldsmith.
If he'd have emulated the John Barry style, people would have complained that he was emulating the John Barry style. And if he hadn't emulated the John Barry style, people would have complained that he wasn't emulating the John Barry style.
I think he was only too well aware of that and my guess is that's why he didn't do it.
Cheers
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A lot of what has been said here is valid, but...
The Flint movies were by design done in a slightly tongue-in-cheek camp fashion, with a certain amount of self-awareness and whimsy. I think that's very much reflected in both the scores and the names Goldsmith gave his cues. On the other hand, the Bond films (and their corresponding scores) were played very straight despite the sometimes outlandishness.
The Man from UNCLE scores were composed for much smaller ensembles and it is likely that he would have taken a very different approach for films with a larger orchestra.
The approach to the Bond scores were often a reflection of their time and so what he would have done with them likely would have depended on when he composed it.
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Far more interesting than if Jerry Goldsmith ( who, of coarse, should have scored every film in history ) had ever scored a Bond movie is the question IF JOHN BARRY HAD NEVER SCORED A JAMES BOND MOVIE.
John Barry is an integral part of the whole Bond mythos and in a way that I don't think any other composer ( however more "technically gifted" than JB ) could have been. With varied lyricists JB has given us unforgettable classic, iconic and in some cases ( We Have All The Time In The World being the best example ) all time evergreen songs, scores that ooze class, sophistication, sex and danger.
I believer that without John Barry these films wouldn't have the iconic legendary status they have now.
I agree absolutely with the caveat that at least the possibility exists that it might have achieved a different iconic legendary status than it did. Personally, I love the one we already have as a result of Barry's work.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 5:02 PM
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Zoragoth
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No Goldfinger? No You Only Live Twice? No OHMSS? Hard to imagine how that would have led to a richer film music universe.
If James Bond films had been scored with common 'action' music, they would have become indistinct.
Barry might not be your favourite composer, you might like Goldsmith better, but the Bond films are the one thing I think he was truly irreplaceable on.
Of course, some people think Jerry Goldsmith was better than everyone else at every type of film and every type of film music. Not so. Others have their niches and strengths. The two types of film Barry did better were the Bond films (not 'sixties action films', Bond films) and films like Somewhere In Time and Out Of Africa. At least give Barry due credit for something.
I do think Goldsmith would have done a great job in his own way. He always does. I'm not putting him down. He's my second favourite composer, after all, and I'm very passionate about many of his works. Very passionate. I just can't see how he'd have created greater classics that Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, etc.
In short, a film music universe where there was no Barry Bond scores would be much poorer than the one we have.
Cheers
Thank you, Mr Woolston, for your measured and thoughtful (and absolutely correct) response to a post that contained, to put it politely, fightin' words!
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Goldsmith never really did well aping other composers. He also never had the pop sensibilities someone like Barry had.
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... are just pretty much perfect !
