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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I was noticing on the laserdiscs of some Samuel Goldwyn films that feature a music and effects track (such as DODSWORTH and THE HURRICANE), that music for most of the cues (on the M&E track) has been re-recorded. It sounds as though they were recorded later, (perhaps the 1950s?), usually with what sounds like a slightly smaller orchestra. I presume this was to make new M&E tracks for use in dubbing the films into other languages. Does anybody know for sure what the reason for this was, and when the new recordings were made?

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 11:55 PM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

I can't remember all the details Jim, but I believe these re recordings were done in the 60s or even early 70s. I heard they were done on the cheap in Japan. The sound is certainly mag tape and not optical as you correctly surmised. I know THE BISHOP’S WIFE is loaded with re recordings of this sort for the M&E too. Probably a foreign television sale instigated this. I also heard stories about how a lot of Goldwyn M&E tracks were lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2013 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Joe Caps used to talk about this now and then.

I ended up getting all those lasers, chiefly because of the isolated scores. THE HURRICANE seemed to be the most glaring of the re-recorded ones, in that the sound seemed more different than what was heard on the others. But quite a number were released with isolated scores, including: THE HURRICANE, DODSWORTH/ARROWSMITH, STELLA DALLAS, a GARY COOPER collection (including THE REAL GLORY, THE WESTERNER, and THE COWBOY AND THE LADY), and, as I recall, WUTHERING HEIGHTS.

With the exception of THE WESTERNER, attributed to Dimitri Tiomkin, Alfred Newman is credited as the composer of all of the above, though I heard at some point that he also added music to the WESTERNER score also, uncredited.

There were a lot of lasers that came out with isolated scores, and I still have a lot of them, the chief reason I'm keeping them, actually.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2013 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Other Goldwyn laserdiscs with isolated scores include:

A SONG IS BORN [included on a double feature disc with BALL OF FIRE] (various song composers)

THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES (Friedhofer)

THE GOLDWYN FOLLIES / THEY SHALL HAVE MUSIC (various song composers)

HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN (Frank Loesser)

THE KID FROM BROOKLYN (various song composers)

THIEF OF BAGDAD (Rozsa)

UP IN ARMS (various song composers)

WONDER MAN (various song composers)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2013 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Thanks for all the input everyone!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2013 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I was noticing on the laserdiscs of some Samuel Goldwyn films that feature a music and effects track (such as DODSWORTH and THE HURRICANE), that music for most of the cues (on the M&E track) has been re-recorded. It sounds as though they were recorded later, (perhaps the 1950s?), usually with what sounds like a slightly smaller orchestra. I presume this was to make new M&E tracks for use in dubbing the films into other languages. Does anybody know for sure what the reason for this was, and when the new recordings were made?

I can only tell you what has happened for example here in Germany. The re-recorded versions with smaller orchestras for THE WESTERNER, THE HURRICANE and THE BISHOP'S WIFE can all be found in our re-dubbed German versions of these films. So for example THE WESTERNER was re-released in German cinemas with this re-recorded version in July 1967 and it has also always been shown with this version since that time on German TV. THE BISHOP'S WIFE and THE HURRICANE were first shown with these re-recorded versions on German TV in December 1974 and in May 1975. So these re-recorded versions must have been done either around or before 1967 (for THE WESTERNER) or at least before 1974/1975 (for the other two movies).
You have to keep in mind that here in Germany it was absolutely necessary to make a new dubbing for these films when they got re-released - either in the cinema or for TV at the end of the 60s or in the early 70s. All three movies had of course at first been released in German cinemas shortly after the war at the end of the 40s with a first German dubbing (and probably also with the original music recording still intact at that time), but then when some of the cinema distribution companies got bankrupt or did not want to distribute the films anymore also these dubbed film prints themselves got lost during the 60s, were destroyed and therefore did not survive the time. So this in fact was the main reason why a new, second dubbing then had to be made here in Germany for these movies.

 
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