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 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Sorry if this has been done (couldn't find it) or if it offends anyone, but inspired, if that’s the word for, it by Richard-W’s post with the image of Daniel Craig using the middle finger salute, just curious if anyone knows the first use of the gesture in a movie. I caught a small portion of (and for the life of me can’t remember the name of) a movie the other night about two former WWI pilots making a movie and the director wanted to kill the main pilot via an “accident” during one of their aerial stunts. It was from the late 20's or early 30s, I think. Anyway, the would-be hero pilot takes off in the targeted pilot’s sabotaged biplane. The hero takes off in another biplane and catches up to him and gestures for him to land at which point the would-be hero smilingly flips him off. I was quite stunned to see the gesture in a film that old.

Some research revealed that Harold Lloyd flipped off his image in a mirror in the film “Speedy” (1928). Was this the first use and can someone tell me the name of the film I saw part of? Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Just of general interest: http://www.ooze.com/finger/html/history.html

Includes earliest known photo of the finger but not the earliest movie.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Just of general interest: http://www.ooze.com/finger/html/history.html

Includes earliest known photo of the finger but not the earliest movie.


Thanks, Mastadge, I can't view that one (blocked); is it the 1880's baseball team photo?

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Yep!

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I think there is one in "In Cold Blood" in 1967. I can't imagine there being example during the Production Code era. What about European films? Or would you only find the use of the two-finger salute? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   TomD   (Member)

I was surprised, to say the least, to see the salute in Harold Lloyd's "Speedy", a couple of years ago on TCM. Lloyd's films were squeaky-clean, family entertainment back in those days, and he wouldn't put an in-your-face crudity in his film. It was the point of the scene, not subtle at all. He would have gotten outrage and abuse from both the film industry and fans. I have to presume that the gesture simply did not have the connotation it has today, which surprises me too.

There is an instance in a 3 Stooges comedy, where one of the extra in the seats at a boxing match flashes the sign. It goes by so fast, I figured nobody ever caught it. It was one the early shorts, I don't remember which one.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

I've got an old RKO film in which it's used, don't remember which one, about 1931.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Pretty early and still the best to date....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

As most of us know the earliest came during the so called first risqué Hollywood period, the 20's till the early 30's, then the codes came. So for the most part that gesture would be very rare from the mid 30's till the later 60's when all those so called risqué acts came back in droves. Dig deep enough you will probably find a early one of the second era around the 66-67 period.

 
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