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 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I remember in the 80's for every film my family rented out for an adult, we must have rented out GREASE, THE LITTLE MERMAID, ETC ETC, 30 times over the adult oriented film. Well the answer is obvious what market kept the video store open. Of course a book can and might have been written on this but the companies make what the consumer wants, can't blame them.So now the Eastern world is following suit with their youth. You get what the majority wants, most of the time.

I generally agree with this. I like good escapist movies, but 30 years ago the action was exciting, the humor was funny, and you cared about the characters. It's not the style of films being make, it's the fact they are making boring films with lousy characters. It's kinda like mainstream has gone all porn. It's Just nonstop mindless fraking. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

It is a crappy movie summer. Last year had more and better movies all around.
The family fare is especially paltry this year, and this is hurting them.

I saw the trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and they left me totally cold.


Different strokes, again. I know I for one am dying for Guardians of the Galaxy, and I know many others are as well. On the other hand, there are a slew of movies out or coming that I either don't care about or actively wish didn't exist at all.

I'd probably be interested in the new Apes movie, but I never caught the previous one, though I've heard it was really good.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

And to back up what I was saying...

Not even rainy weather on the east coast could save Hollywood from itself last weekend. July 4th weekend box office fell a stunning 44% compared to 2013. The studios are blaming the World Cup and lack of big releases over the holiday weekend but there's something bigger at work.

For June, U.S. box office dropped 16% and for 2014 year to date receipts are at 2011 levels. The key phrase here is "U.S." The reason Hollywood isn't panicking over weak results locally is that international sales are strong, particularly in China where box office is soaring over 20%.

The new Transformers flick for instance may be lagging here but it's set to become the biggest box office hit in Chinese history sometime this week. In fact, Transformers is huge everywhere except the U.S., taking in nearly $600 million dollars world wide and $200 million in China alone.

Even our grandest, most jingoistic super heroes are being groomed for foreign appeal. The years' biggest movie to date is Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The frozen World War II GI's second feature has raked in $250 million here but that's only about a third of its total box office.

The U.S. was once the big dog when it came to movie sales. We dictated tastes and let the rest of the world have our dregs and non-descript action droppings. Now the economics have switched. Today Hollywood errs on the side of International appeal. That means action, CGI and perhaps most importantly, bad guys with no foreign national attachments. Our heroes may be American but the bad guys are from space and apparently drive a stick shift. Faceless commie MIG pilots were great foils for Tom Cruise in the 80's but in Edge of Tomorrow he's fighting alien squid and he's doing it in Europe. Why? Because despite being Cruise's best movie in years Edge is getting 75% of its box office overseas.

There's an unfortunate cultural precedent. Today Nazis still make great bad guys but that's only because they aren't in power. In the 30's Hollywood more or less ignored them entirely because of the German box office.

This trend isn't going away any time soon. The money is too big despite the Chinese limiting releases and distribution. That's good news if you like on screen explosions but, at least based on the local returns, there's still a place for plot in America's hearts.

Source:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hollywood-s-july-4-box-office-sales-down-44--from-2013-131537794.html


All you can risk offending nowadays are those darn Nazis!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

And to back up what I was saying...

Not even rainy weather on the east coast could save Hollywood from itself last weekend. July 4th weekend box office fell a stunning 44% compared to 2013. The studios are blaming the World Cup and lack of big releases over the holiday weekend but there's something bigger at work.

For June, U.S. box office dropped 16% and for 2014 year to date receipts are at 2011 levels. The key phrase here is "U.S." The reason Hollywood isn't panicking over weak results locally is that international sales are strong, particularly in China where box office is soaring over 20%.

The new Transformers flick for instance may be lagging here but it's set to become the biggest box office hit in Chinese history sometime this week. In fact, Transformers is huge everywhere except the U.S., taking in nearly $600 million dollars world wide and $200 million in China alone.

Even our grandest, most jingoistic super heroes are being groomed for foreign appeal. The years' biggest movie to date is Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The frozen World War II GI's second feature has raked in $250 million here but that's only about a third of its total box office.

The U.S. was once the big dog when it came to movie sales. We dictated tastes and let the rest of the world have our dregs and non-descript action droppings. Now the economics have switched. Today Hollywood errs on the side of International appeal. That means action, CGI and perhaps most importantly, bad guys with no foreign national attachments. Our heroes may be American but the bad guys are from space and apparently drive a stick shift. Faceless commie MIG pilots were great foils for Tom Cruise in the 80's but in Edge of Tomorrow he's fighting alien squid and he's doing it in Europe. Why? Because despite being Cruise's best movie in years Edge is getting 75% of its box office overseas.

There's an unfortunate cultural precedent. Today Nazis still make great bad guys but that's only because they aren't in power. In the 30's Hollywood more or less ignored them entirely because of the German box office.

This trend isn't going away any time soon. The money is too big despite the Chinese limiting releases and distribution. That's good news if you like on screen explosions but, at least based on the local returns, there's still a place for plot in America's hearts.

Source:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hollywood-s-july-4-box-office-sales-down-44--from-2013-131537794.html


All you can risk offending nowadays are those darn Nazis!


Not wanting to portray your audience as villains is a little different from just making sucky movies, of course.

Are you arguing that American movies should make a point of portraying all Americans as good and all non-Americans as evil? I honestly am not sure what you're getting at. Am I missing something?

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2014 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Are you arguing that American movies should make a point of portraying all Americans as good and all non-Americans as evil? I honestly am not sure what you're getting at. Am I missing something?


No of course not. It was just one example of dumbing things down, makings things very simple so a whole world audience can relate to the product. Which sadly is mindless violence.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I think it's been a fairly good summer for movies. I liked both X-men and Captain America.
Also really enjoyed Edge of Tomorrow.


Agreed. Though I thought Cap was better, I did see X-Men twice. smile

Greg Espinoza


He will never admit it, but Riotengine confessed to me that he thought T4 was "one of the best films I have seen in ages".

Sad
frown
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2014 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

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Just caught TRANSFORMERS 4 with my wife and enjoyed it quite a bit.

Greg Espinoza



wink

 
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