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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I see that there is a new Hitch compilation. Yay. I own 3 already. lol

But it got me thinking about which compilations have been done too many times?


For my money, I would say John Williams theme albums that ALWAYS seem to cover Raiders, Star Wars, Superman, ET, etc. Those are some of the finest scores ever, but come on..........

What compilation albums would you say?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Not one specific but years ago when every easy listening conductor and arraigner had to do compilation film themes Lp's which would include Charade, Breakfast at tiffany's Lawrence of Arabia Born free etc etc etc oh yes let's not forget Mondo cane.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


What compilation albums would you say?


Read your name and you tell us.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I was thinking the same thing. MR BARRY was a fine composer, but how many compilation albums on the same themes?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 10:04 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I was thinking the same thing. MR BARRY was a fine composer, but how many compilation albums on the same themes?

Here is a question that none of you have answered, why do label put out these sorts of collections?

Anyone want the answer?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I agree about the Barry albums.


Tell us more, Ford. Why do they do keep making them?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I agree about the Barry albums.


Tell us more, Ford. Why do they do keep making them?


They sell and make the labels $$$$.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2014 - 10:32 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I'm a huge sucker for compilation albums!

Keep em coming.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 12:04 AM   
 By:   soundtracksi   (Member)

i am a big john barry fan but also agree far to many

and a close second must be of the great ennio morricone

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I've always resisted the temptation of getting them because of the preference of hearing the scores on their own and getting individual releases anyway for those titles I like. I'm often tempted with compilations for composers, but a lot of the times the label limitations (which titles they have rights to) prevent the compilation from being definitive or a truly representative. In short, I'm not a fan of compilations (except for the odd ones I make myself).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Lots of spaghetti western comps.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

Compilations get folks started and up to speed with collecting. They are all I bought in the beginning, an economical way to amass familiar themes and discover ones new to you. I was all over Silva back in the 90s. Have no use for them now but I'm sure somebody is getting their feet wet over there.

That said, the Morricone and Barry glut DOES seem excessive, and new releases rarely offer anything that hasn't been available for years. But of course, compilation CDs do go in and out of print.

One thing I've been an advocate for (no one listens) is the compilation format for re-recordings. It's nice to have, say, Max Steiner's She complete, but wouldn't it be awesome to have more Gerhardt-like collections of suites from previously unrevisited scores by Steiner and other key composers?

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I must agree with Ford.

I personally do not need all the compilations and re-compilations of the same John Barry and Ennio Morricone tracks, BUT ...

The reason there are so many is because they keep selling.

A niche score album generally sells 1,500-3,000. The last before current Silva Screen re-compilation of their John Barry tracks sold 30,000, I'm told. And that wasn't an original compilation, it was a re-compilation. That's between ten and twenty times as many units sold as they might have expected from a release of, say, "THE TAMARIND SEED". And for not nearly as much work.

The public at large is a much more powerful buying force that our tiny community, and they want compilations not full scores. (And they buy them, too,)

It makes business sense and injects revenue into the system that releases our beloved scores and whilst it might make something like "THE TAMARIND SEED" a lower priority than getting the compilation out, hopefully it also makes it more likely.

It's good news.

But yes, it does seem like John Barry and Ennio Morricone tracks keep coming out again and again.

Take it as a credit to the popularity of their music.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

By the way, although John Barry compilations have been done to death, I still say that the ORIGINAL CBS John Barry compilation albums:

John Barry Conducts His Big Movie Hits
Great Movie Sounds of John Barry
Ready When You Are, JB
The Persuaders and Other Themes

... are some of the best film music compilations EVER! And while there is *some* repetition in these albums, there's not that much.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

By the way, although John Barry compilations have been done to death, I still say that the ORIGINAL CBS John Barry compilation albums:

John Barry Conducts His Big Movie Hits
Great Movie Sounds of John Barry
Ready When You Are, JB
The Persuaders and Other Themes

... are some of the best film music compilations EVER! And while there is *some* repetition in these albums, there's not that much.

Cheers


Agree!

In particular I think Ready When You Are, JB is without doubt one of the best ever.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...

In particular I think Ready When You Are, JB is without doubt one of the best ever.


Me, too ... even after 40+ years, this remains my favourite non-film score album. And yet, take almost each track in turn and none match the brilliance of their OST counterparts. (I'm excepting those tracks w/o such direct OST comparisons, of course).

But I think this is the brilliance of the album: a true compilation album would have the OST versions and just like any Greatest Hits' compilation, each and every track may be great but in one go it's often too much. JB blended the style across the tracks so that even the striking takes on The Lion in Winter and OHMSS ... being placed as the last track of side A and the first track of side B respectively, don't sound out of place.

The only track which doesn't gel, with me, is the tagged on last track, Born Free, a direct lift from the first album Great Movie Sounds of John Barry where it was perfect as the last track ... and then repeated on the second album, John Barry Conducts His Greatest Movie Hits ... but then, at that time, it was his big Oscar win and its mere inclusion would help sales.

In recreating the album for streaming from my PC to my hi-fi, I've replaced that final track (leaving it in its rightful place on the first album) with his last CBS recording/release: The Persuaders!. It's not a perfect fit, sound-wise, though there are echoes of the album track The More Things Change but it's a good place for such a wonderful iconic theme.

The many re-releases of these CBS recordings have brought a few extra, non-album, tracks to light but there remains the elusive The Lion in Winter- Part II. Perhaps one day, on another compilation of JB's fabulous CBS recordings.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Different combinations appeal to different people, and compilations can increase the desire to get into a composer. I might never have heard Herrmann's other amazing material and got into one of the greatest ever composers, had I not aquired the Phase 4 compilations as a kid. I bought them purely for his work for Ray Harryhausen, but getting into the other stuff for Hitchcock etc from those albums cemented my desire to seek out the full scores.

In turn these compilations are among the reasons I became a lifelong film score enthusiast. Don't knock 'em. There'll be more out there dipping into the odd Silva compilation based on their admiration for a particular film star or genre who will end up like me.

They're for dipping one's toes in the water, and finding there's a whole new world of music out there.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Agree with the positive assessments on Barry's CBS stuff and the Herrmann Phase 4 stuff.

Though I'm glad Erich Kunzel isn't around to embarrassingly attempt hit-making out of tracks from today's comic-book-hero-movie music. He was much better at compelling re-records of Golden Age themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

There is even a thread about one!!

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104251&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2014 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Ditto

 
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