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 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Those who know me personally they know me as the film (and film music) fan. Since film (and film music) have been such a big part of my life they more or less know me as the expert on the subject. I`ll admit that I cannot everything (who can?) but I do have got myself a film theory education and I have worked as a film critic (10 years ago). I also have IMDb as a start page on my computer. Each and every day I check film and film music related news. So I feel that I pretty much can say that I know a thing or two about film related news.

So earlier today some friends who are not that much into films and film related news. Said to me that a very well known actor was dead (and been that for a month or so). To me that was complete news. With all those time I spent reading about film and film releated news each and every day I should have known this. So I said that he is still alive but they really had to refute. Because apparently they wanted me to be wrong. So one of them texted her dad who more or less confirmed that they was indeed correct. But the thing is there was nothing on those sites I visits daily about this actors death.

I get frustrated when they apparently need to be sure that the expert is wrong but I am not. So now I wonder how to handle this if this ever comes up again, how would you handle stuff like that?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I see it as a sub-form of schadenfreude.

The way to handle it is with a healthy sense of humility and a good sense of humor that's not afraid to lean towards self-deprecating.

Nothing takes the wind out of someone's sails better than when they are trying to ridicule you, you show that you're not afraid to laugh at yourself.

(And I never hesitate to add that if I'm personally not up to snuff on current affairs, it's because I'm always too busy in bed with The Missus.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

tobias, the next time you are with those friends, half way through the evening meal, casually take out a gun and lay it on the table next to you.
Then say Did you hear about (insert your pals names here)??? yeah they were dead for a month before anyone knew!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)



I try mightily to keep up with all of the sadly departed craftspeople who have contributed to films or film appreciation and it's very hard. I visit countless sites almost daily to get information for my own site on the subject and hey, it's not as if family and agents call me when they pass on. Come to think of it that's what I'd say if it happens again...maybe something like: "what?...and their family didn't call me?"

The fastest way to hear about a celebrity's death use to be by listening to the news radio and it would come over the wire services if it was someone famous. Even a well developed site devoted to famous people living and departed like deadoralive.com has many errors on it.

If you'd like to have another source about those in the entertainment industry who have passed on in the last few years you might want to check out a couple of places at my site:

http://thecinemacafe.com/the-cinema-treasure-hunter?category=End%20Credits

and for this year:

http://www.pinterest.com/arthurgrant9883/in-memoriam-2014/

Both of these might help you stay in the loop, plus this site of course.







 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


So earlier today some friends who are not that much into films and film related news. Said to me that a very well known actor was dead (and been that for a month or so). To me that was complete news. With all those time I spent reading about film and film releated news each and every day I should have known this. So I said that he is still alive but they really had to refute. Because apparently they wanted me to be wrong. So one of them texted her dad who more or less confirmed that they was indeed correct. But the thing is there was nothing on those sites I visits daily about this actors death.

I get frustrated when they apparently need to be sure that the expert is wrong but I am not. So now I wonder how to handle this if this ever comes up again, how would you handle stuff like that?


Get a cell phone. Install the imdb app. Browse to said actor's page. Confirm if the actor is dead. If he or she is alive, ridicule your friend or colleague for the remainder of the day. Last part is not obligatory. wink

Seriously, I once was talking about movies with a friend, saying that I knew most of the years in which a movie was released. He asked me about Jurassic Park and I said 1993. He didn't believe that was true and eventually got out his cell phone; back then internet connection was a tad slower but he still managed to find the info and I was correct. End of discussion. I'm sure I've been wrong on plenty of occasions, I sometimes mix up composers or directors as well. It happens.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.

plus this site of course.

I have noticed that there are some people on this forum that is quite fast with sharing information about deceased celebrities so yes I also check this site too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

One may say it's a bit morbid, but every couple of days I take a look over on Wiki's "Recent Deaths" listings.
I don't know why I do it. I guess at my age I'm just curious about who we've just lost.

But I thought the thread was about how to handle the doinks that seem to take pleasure at another's temporary ignorance about something. Did I misunderstand?

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Simple advice: don't sweat the small stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

This is why I like to keep Wikipedia (or IMDB) close at hand on my iPhone, so I can back up my movie knowledge at a moment's notice when confronted. I never lose a bet.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

My buddies and I used to spend many happy hours down the pub debating all manner of silly things. Then mobiles phones and wifi came along and killed all the fun, as someone can check the answer right away. Ruined all the banter!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

good point thomas. And now our expertise and memory means next to nothing!!

everybody has access to what we know and a whole lot more!

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

My buddies and I used to spend many happy hours down the pub debating all manner of silly things. Then mobiles phones and wifi came along and killed all the fun, as someone can check the answer right away. Ruined all the banter!

Well there is still the age old mystery that is women. No easy online solution to be found there, well not a realistic one anyhow! big grin

P.S. it does seem to be have become a policy to limit cell phone usage during restaurant/bar trips, but one of my friends works for a cell phone provider service so its hard not to get started on the subject.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Dear Tobias,

I can only speak for myself, but I don't know how to suggest how you might "handle" a repeat of this silly situation, because you haven't made it clear what you want to accomplish. If all you wanted to do was get to the truth of the actor's life or death, why did you let them call somebody's father, as if he'd be an authority on anything, which obviously he was not? His saying his daughter was correct means nothing, and proves nothing. Similarly, why did you let them put the burden of proof on you, when it was clearly on them? If they were right that somebody famous was dead, then they needed to go on-line and find some news story to back up their claim. Failing that, they should just shut up.

And you should just treat yourself with more respect. And, oh yes, you should also get some new friends.

PNJ

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Tobias......I think the reality of life is that everyone wants to be "right" in any argument or discussion. We see it in politics every day. We see it on gameshows and the losers are always downcast when they weren't right and didn't win the $1,000,000.

As an informed person you are likely right much of the time, but you can also be wrong or uninformed at other times. There is nothing wrong with that unless being wrong or uninformed causes some untoward event which affects everyone.

If not, shrug it off, inform yourself for the next time, and don't destroy your own self-esteem or let others do it to you. You may be wrong this time, but they'll likely be wrong the next, just as you'll be right on many occasions, and they'll be right on others.

You seem to be agonizing over this. I'd just say relax and laugh it off.


 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.

plus this site of course.

I have noticed that there are some people on this forum that is quite fast with sharing information about deceased celebrities so yes I also check this site too.



"Oh yes, not only did - - - - - - - - die an hour ago, but seventeen people out of twenty-three who have expressed an opinion think that the music from - - - - - - - - was the best of his career. Three other people think it's too soon to be talking about it, and one person is using the thread to sell office equipment. And the thread was locked anyway after twenty minutes."

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 11:15 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Naturally, I applaud Manderley's sentiments, which largely agree with my own, but with one reservation. He tells our worried friend Tobias that, in this instance, he may be wrong. But until Tobias sees an obituary, on-line or on TV or in a newspaper, about this famous actor's passing, there's no reason to think he's wrong. I repeat: the burden of proof is on these "friends." If they want to prove this famous actor is deceased, the hell with phoning somebody's father, or cousin, or maiden aunt -- all they friggin' have to do is friggin' go to friggin' Google and friggin' look up the poor friggin' S.O.B. If he's dead, they'll all know within a few seconds, and there won't be any point arguing about it, it'll be down there in black and white.

Or not.

And then everybody can go have a beer, and chill, for Pete's sake.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Naturally, I applaud Manderley's sentiments, which largely agree with my own, but with one reservation. He tells our worried friend Tobias that, in this instance, he may be wrong. But until Tobias sees an obituary, on-line or on TV or in a newspaper, about this famous actor's passing, there's no reason to think he's wrong. I repeat: the burden of proof is on these "friends." If they want to prove this famous actor is deceased, the hell with phoning somebody's father, or cousin, or maiden aunt -- all they friggin' have to do is friggin' go to friggin' Google and friggin' look up the poor friggin' S.O.B. If he's dead, they'll all know within a few seconds, and there won't be any point arguing about it, it'll be down there in black and white.

Or not.

And then everybody can go have a beer, and chill, for Pete's sake.



It's now morning, and I see that I didn't quite fully understand Tobias' post of yesterday, and Preston has properly noted that I may have been hasty in my answer.

What I was going to post last night, and didn't, is that one of the best ways to check on these things is with Wikipedia or IMDB, who often have the correct information within hours. Perhaps family members or their close associates or intimate friends post this information to these sites to tamp down endless personal calls to them at the outset of the incident.

However, be cautious of the internet. There seems to be a game of posting the occasional false death notice, then everyone picks it up without fact checking, and the false information is disseminated very quickly over the internet. Usually these things are corrected within a day or two, but even large news entities have been deceived temporarily.

It's a strange game on the internet, and you have to take most death notices of famous and important people with a grain of salt, at least until it becomes quite clear that it is true (or false). I was quite stunned by James Garner's recent death and was very wary of the announcement until I had checked around and found the accompanying background details.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Ladies and gentlemen: Manderley -- as always, one of nature's noblemen.

And I thank him for a very true and appropriate word of net-surfing caution.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

However, be cautious of the internet. There seems to be a game of posting the occasional false death notice, then everyone picks it up without fact checking, and the false information is disseminated very quickly over the internet. Usually these things are corrected within a day or two, but even large news entities have been deceived temporarily.

It's a strange game on the internet, and you have to take most death notices of famous and important people with a grain of salt, at least until it becomes quite clear that it is true (or false).



Oh, I see what you're trying to do here, Manderley. Very disingenuous. It's clear you're referring to the recent claims about Alan Fivehouse's passing, which were of course bogus. But how were we to know? It was a reasonable mistake. Had his press-secretary in Monaco not broken his strict confidence re his secluded retreat to Bhutan, the story might have seemed probable. We all make mistakes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2014 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I didn't quite fully understand Tobias' post.

Well, I am from Sweden and therefore is english not my first language so translating my feelings I had at that moment was not easy. However the reason why I posted here is because if I had posted it on Facebook they (who I had this little discussion with) would have seen that and I did not want them to do that.

 
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