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 Posted:   Aug 31, 2014 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Can anyone tell me what's the story behind the fact that this beautiful (and Oscar-winning) score does not seem to have a decent CD representation?

Or do I miss something here ... SoundtrackCollector lists a 24-track edition (http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/7640/Red+Shoes%2C+The) which I am listening to at the moment via samples/Amazon (http://www.amazon.de/dp/B0001LYEC8/). This seems to be a rip straight of the film itself including dialog etc.. Plus it sounds pretty muffled.

What's up?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2014 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

I found the 10" LP version released in 1949 which features THE RED SHOES on one side, the Philharmonia Orchestra conducted by Muir Matheson. Naturally in mono, the music is very similar to what was in the film (Columbia ML 2083).

This version was transferred (as in, transferred from the record) to CD on British Film Music volume 1 (Pearl Gem 0100).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2014 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Orbital......you may want to check out the recent (ca.2011-recorded 2010) Chandos Recording 10636. dedicated primarily to the Music of Brian Easdale and conducted by Chandos' regular conductor of these film-dedicated CDs, Rumon Gamba.

This one includes a 15+ minute version of the Ballet suite from THE RED SHOES (in a "Performing Arrangement by John Wilson"!!! who we've been talking about in relation to his Prom Nights English concerts on another thread.)

It also includes a suite from the legendary Powell-Pressburger/Archers film, BLACK NARCISSUS, which I like quite a lot, as well as a suite from Powell and Pressburger's GONE TO EARTH (aka THE WILD HEART).

There are others included on the CD, too.

http://www.chandos.net/details06.asp?CNumber=CHAN%2010636

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2014 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Orbital......you may want to check out the recent (ca.2011-recorded 2010) Chandos Recording 10636. dedicated primarily to the Music of Brian Easdale and conducted by Chandos' regular conductor of these film-dedicated CDs, Rumon Gamba.

This one includes a 15+ minute version of the Ballet suite from THE RED SHOES (in a "Performing Arrangement by John Wilson"!!! who we've been talking about in relation to his Prom Nights English concerts on another thread.)

It also includes a suite from the legendary Powell-Pressburger/Archers film, BLACK NARCISSUS, which I like quite a lot, as well as a suite from Powell and Pressburger's GONE TO EARTH (aka THE WILD HEART).

There are others included on the CD, too.

http://www.chandos.net/details06.asp?CNumber=CHAN%2010636


All around, a quite fine recording, but it remains a shame about the full score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2014 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   Regie   (Member)

This really is an extremely fine film. I have a 'restored' version on DVD but the sound quality - particularly for the music - isn't very good. These things seldom come up well with 'restoration', unfortunately.

I actually think "The Red Shoes" was P&P's finest film and one of THE GREAT films of British cinema. The performance of Anton Walbrook was just stunning - he captured every nuance possible in this pygmalion-type story. One unforgettable moment; he's in the carriage talking to Vicky as the train is about to depart and Lermentov wants to lure her back to one more role in his ballet. When she tells Lermentov that she is giving up the ballet because of Julian Craster, he says to her with sublime and musical mastery of the voice, "Does he know what he's asking?" In those few words we hear real artistry from an actor who understands the meaning of every word in a sentence and how to convey this with modulation, expression and total control.

Few actors - even Olivier - were capable of that!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Can anyone tell me what's the story behind the fact that this beautiful (and Oscar-winning) score does not seem to have a decent CD representation?


Perhaps because it's from 1948?

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

There are several recordings of the ballet, another being that on Silva Screen with the Philharmonia and Kenneth Alwyn on 'Classic British Film Music' FILMCD 072.


Another great Powell & Pressburger concoction where, as is always their take, the trickster has full play over any stereotype hero template.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Past discussions have suggested that the Easdale estate was erecting some obstacles. (This happens with more composers than you might imagine.) Hopefully the Chandos album (which did, however, receive rather mixed reviews) indicates that a corner may have been turned.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   finder4545   (Member)

THE RED SHOES, despite its general interest and the importance earned and maintained over the years - for being an eternal and multifaced movie document on the art of dance and related music, with a visual triumph in colour photography - remains an unsolved case of “unreleased score”, as is BLACK NARCISSUS, and it’s very strange that nobody cared to investigate about the survival and existence of an original recording.

England, despite the high profile of its composers (beyond Easdale, we find names like Alan Rawsthorne, John Greenwood, Anthony Collins, not to mention the better known Addisons, Arnolds, Alwyns, Waltons...), seems to have suffered a lack of preservation of historical materials, more or less in the same way happened in Italy, where hundreds of fine symphonic scores made in the Forties and Fifties by high school composers, for movies with wonderful ancient background (Middle Ages, Renaissance, the old Venice of intrigues and conspiracies, shot in black and white with games of watery reflections) remain without a trace of existence on its own.

Of RED SHOES, I can say that along with that of Muir Mathieson, I often play the very fine 1958 performance on Columbia Odyssey album, running about 17:00 min, of Vladimir Golschmann conducting St.Louis SO, paired with Weber and Delibes ballet pieces.

BTW a Blu Ray disc of the movie was released in England.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

There are a few old cues from 'Black Narcissus' on the 'World of Sabu' CD from EI (a branch of Cherry Red).

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2014 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

D bleedin' P.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

In the case of THE RED SHOES, I would love to hear someone record the "overture" to the ballet which is heard in the film. This is some exciting stuff and it's been a frustration to me that it was not included with the ballet itself. Hope is a harsh mistress sometimes.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Thanks, shureman & manderley, for the infos. Like Advise & Consent I think it's a pity that the full score has not surfaced and I hope that this will be the case in the foreseeable future.

Past discussions have suggested that the Easdale estate was erecting some obstacles.

Interesting. And (again) a pity.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I also like the "Heart of Fire" ballet music that appears at the beginning of the film, when Craster realizes his music has been ripped off.

 
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