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 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

OK, so if I'm not mistake the official word on this is the tapes are damaged, lost, or unusable for an expanded complete score.

The original soundtrack album is out of print.

So why while the composer is alive and well and can have definitive input is there not any plans to do a re-recording ala Conan The Barbarian?

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

OK, so if I'm not mistake the official word on this is the tapes are damaged, lost, or unusable for an expanded complete score.


That was a myth I believe.

I think it originated in the thread below where MV Gerhard gave a list of scores that were difficult to release. The list stated 'ALIEN 3 (COMPLETE)' so everyone assumed the complete score was lost...

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=95052&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Thor wrote:

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!

How does an out-of-print score count as "perfectly fine"?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

The score is not lost. So thus, a recording is not warranted.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I think it originated in the thread below where MV Gerhard gave a list of scores that were difficult to release. The list stated 'ALIEN 3 (COMPLETE)' so everyone assumed the complete score was lost...

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=95052&forumID=1&archive=0


The story I remember specifically hearing, and I don't have a source or any evidence to its veracity, is that many scores from that time period were recorded on a specific type of digital element that degraded easily and irrevocably, and that Alien 3 was one such score that was affected.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!


Yes,some score are unlistanable in complete form.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!


Yes true,i prefer to have an essential interesting than a complete too long and dull,many score can't stand in complete form.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I'd buy a re-recording of any Goldenthal score, but in the case of Alien 3 I like the original film score particularly and hope that it can be expanded. As Thor stated, the original album is great, but for my taste leaves off big cues that I wish were included. The isolated track on the blu-ray is fun in that regard, but listening to it I do long for a properly mastered expansion. I do wonder if there are other film stems that can be used in case the original tapes are unusable.

I would like to have a recording of Goldenthal's concert program he did in Krakow, especially that version of Adagio with choir.

But hey, let's start a kickstarter and sort out the legal stuff later! wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!


Yes,some score are unlistanable in complete form.


Not to everyone. Those who don't want it are free to not buy it. I love how that works..

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

didn't Goldenthal spend a long time creating unique instruments and sounds specifically for this score? It was referred to as a 'bio-mechanical orchestra' or something like that. Wouldn't that make a re-recording particularly hard to pull off?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!


Yes,some score are unlistanable in complete form.


Not to everyone. Those who don't want it are free to not buy it..


Yes but it doesn't change that many score can stand in complete form,but many collectors don't want admit that,they just want buy buy buy,like a forumeur say:ORDERED!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

We do not need to re-record every score. Crazy good score, though.

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!


Yes,some score are unlistanable in complete form.


Not to everyone. Those who don't want it are free to not buy it..


Yes but it doesn't change that many score can stand in complete form,but many collectors don't want admit that,they just want buy buy buy,like a forumeur say:ORDERED!


Isn't that the case with any type of release really? I personally enjoy listening to C&C scores, otherwise I'd held on to all the album versions I've gladly gotten rid of. And it's not like the album version isn't out there already, if that is all you want, you already have it, why should you even care about obvious demand for a C&C?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

didn't Goldenthal spend a long time creating unique instruments and sounds specifically for this score? It was referred to as a 'bio-mechanical orchestra' or something like that. Wouldn't that make a re-recording particularly hard to pull off?

If it can be done once why couldn't it be done again?

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

didn't Goldenthal spend a long time creating unique instruments and sounds specifically for this score? It was referred to as a 'bio-mechanical orchestra' or something like that. Wouldn't that make a re-recording particularly hard to pull off?

If it can be done once why couldn't it be done again?


Because he got it right the first time and they recorded it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"....why should you even care about obvious demand for a C & C?"


Because the anti-C & C crowd literally cannot stand the idea of the rest of us getting more of what we want.

More often than not, the most ground they are willing to concede is "release two versions", which is usually economically unfeasible for record labels.

Or, if you suggest they make their own "album" playlist from the complete score, they counter with, "I'm not qualified to" or even "Why should I have to?"

So, basically it all boils down to the rest of us having to do without getting new/unreleased music from our favorite films and composers, so that they can hear an "expertly" segued 30 to 40 minute program (often mixed with "Pop" songs of the day), and nothing more.

I don't get it either, but there you are....

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

And I would think these oddball avant-garde scores with Harry Partch-like created instrumentation
that isn't always tunable or predictable would be near impossible to re-do? And I would think that unless the composer, Robert Elhai, Joel Iwataki or Johnathan Sheffer weren't available to advise,etc, that would throw more....um, kinks....in the mix.

There is the Goldsmith quote in Intrada's ALIEN booklet, where Doug Fake was discussing future re-recordings with Goldsmith, and ALIEN was the one Jerry singled out that he wouldn't do again, because it was too difficult. So they just did Islands in the Stream instead.....

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor wrote:

Nor do we need to reissue every score when the existing one is perfectly fine. Like this. It's a madhouse, I tell ya. A MADHOUSE!

How does an out-of-print score count as "perfectly fine"?


Perfectly fine in terms of presentation, I meant. I wasn't aware that it was OOP. Isn't it fairly easy and cheap to get second-hand, though? I've been out of the purchasing loop for a while, so I don't know.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2015 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Ever since I first saw the movie, there were several key moments that I missed on the soundtrack cd. An expansion would be most welcome. At least we have the isolated score!

I personally would not be interested in a rerecording .

 
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