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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: After watching Oliver Stone's NIXON...   Last Post   Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 12:48 AM     By:   Zooba   (Member) which I haven't seen in a long time, is it just me or doesn't it sound like John Williams was scoring a Monster Movie? His music is so not "lyrical beautiful" John Williams. Well I guess some people might have seen Nixon as a monster. And Anthony Hopkins characterization is quite an interesting one. Paul Sorvino, unrecognizable as Henry Kissinger is remarkable. He was Kissinger! Not one of my favorite Williams scores. What ever happened to actors David Paymer and James Woods? I could really see those guys doing guest roles on THE WEST WING, but I don't think they ever did.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 2:31 AM     By:   afn   (Member) NIXON, together with the even better JFK, are among my absolute Williams favorites. Williams was best when he worked for Oliver Stone. Dark, brooding themes, sad, tragic, ultimately empathetic IMHO. The story of a human being haunted by outer and personal demons. A masterpiece. I have the 4 hour extended versions of both movies and just love them. Sadly, Stone doesn't make big political movies anymore (at least not with JW). I'd love to hear his music for the Cuban missile crisis or J. Edgar Hoover's life and times. But both scores were used in Stone's UNTOLD HISTORY OF THE USA TV series. Nice touch.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 5:46 AM     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member) A 4 hour JFK? The 3 hour, 26 minute Director's Cut is not worth watching, but it is the only version available on disc. The digital releases are the only way (outside of the original VHS ans the Laserdisc) to watch the much, much, much better theatrical cut, which is 17 minutes shorter. The extra footage adds absolutely nothing of note and is awkwardly shoehorned into the film.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 6:16 AM     By:   afn   (Member) OOps... maybe I got carried away, OK, 3.26 hrs. ;-) Nevertheless, I'd happy to watch an 8 hour cut. I could never get enough of all the mysterious facts, the details, the clothes, the visual style, the cars, the hairdos etc. But pardon me, sir, you gotta be joking. The intimidating scenes at the airport? John Larroquette's slimy TV show host, which was totally absent in the theatrical cut?    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 6:36 AM     By:   Grecchus   (Member) Whether intentional or not, it is a very funny film because I laugh at all the right moments.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 9:02 AM     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member) OOps... maybe I got carried away, OK, 3.26 hrs. ;-) Nevertheless, I'd happy to watch an 8 hour cut. I could never get enough of all the mysterious facts, the details, the clothes, the visual style, the cars, the hairdos etc. But pardon me, sir, you gotta be joking. The intimidating scenes at the airport? John Larroquette's slimy TV show host, which was totally absent in the theatrical cut? Yeah, the scene in the airport seems so amateurish and the Larroquette-as-Carson sequence is compromised because of the forced-fictionalization of the event.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 9:32 AM     By:   John Mullin   (Member) I love JFK, but I have to agree with Shaun. Many editors I know consider JFK to be one of the best edited films of the late 20th century, and I agree. The extra 17 minutes that are in the "extended cut" only slow down what I thought was a beautifully paced, endless fascinating movie. Although I do understand that actor John Larroquette was looking for a meaty role at the time, I think he was distracting and a little miscast as Carson. The movie was better without that scene. Same with the airport. Now while I really like Williams' NIXON score, I think the film is almost pure gibberish.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 11:55 AM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) I didn't enjoy NIXON (the film) as much as I did JFK, although I have never watched either again since my first cinema viewing (nor do I really want to). I love both scores, but in different ways. NIXON has got a tense/tumultuous vibe to most of it, like everything is rocking in a storm. It's one of those CD's that get's better every time I play it again. There are some bittersweet moments on the CD (doesn't one track sound a bit like John Barry?) but overall, that swirling, impending danger feel is tremendous, in a John Williams is GOD/The Fury/Empire Strikes Back kind of way!    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 2:21 PM     By:   afn   (Member) Well, to each his own. I for one can't get enough of that style (and that story).    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 2:35 PM     By:   Francis   (Member) I like JFK and found the score (and editing) very memorable, have to admit I wasn't bothered by the long running time of the extended cut. It still rushed by at a daunting pace and to me every frame felt as important as the Zapruder film. I didn't particularly care for NIXON or W, mostly to do with performances and (mis)casting, and can't even recall the Williams music for Nixon. Will have to check out its themes.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 2:48 PM     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member) Well I guess some people might have seen Nixon as a monster. And Anthony Hopkins characterization is quite an interesting one. Nixon wasn't a monster, but became the prime American example of monstrousness in the pursuit and exercise of power because he operated under the delusion that some Americans are "real" and some are not. He was happy to exploit historical trends in race and class relations for his own benefit, and all modern American politicians of all stripes feel forced to employ these tactics. We see far too many examples of his legacy in current political discourse and application. In a sense, Richard Nixon is the most "real" of Americans in his inner contempt for contending political agendas excepting his own, and his belief that only his agenda mattered.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 4:04 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) I also like the long cut of "JFK", and wish it were even longer. It's endlessly intriguing. I'm still not sure why that creepy deleted scene with Garrison and the Texas business man, "Mr. Miller" was left out of the longer cut. I would have preferred it (if it had to be one or the other) to the "Johnny Carson Show" bit, as it was more in the style of the rest of the film, although I'm glad the John Larroquette scene is there.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 4:43 PM     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member) For as much as I love the movie, I barely remember the deleted scenes at all, outside of the alternate framing of the X scenes.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 5:06 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) Whether intentional or not, it is a very funny film because I laugh at all the right moments. Yeah, esp. the scene when he went on his own in the middle of the night to talk to the peaceniks camped out at the Lincoln Memorial or wherever. A teenage girl put him in his place, and he knew it, to his credit. True life incident. ...and can't even recall the Williams music for Nixon. Will have to check out its themes. Early mixed-bag: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=1584&forumID=1&archive=1    Posted:   Apr 12, 2015 - 7:46 PM     By:   SchiffyM   (Member) I don't care what anybody says – I think "Nixon" is a fantastic Williams score, one I return to often. It's an unashamedly melodramatic score, over-the-top in all the best ways. I'm particularly fond of the meditative set-piece "The Meeting With Mao." And I love that the score has a dramatic structure, bookended with that surging melody. When you get to the end, you feel like you've listened to a cohesive musical piece, not simply a collection of cues. That's this man's opinion.    Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 12:23 AM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) I think that NIXON is a great score (CD listen) for about 75% of the time. I also think John Williams displays an almost uncanny ability to evoke an era, without using music from that era. Just to show I'm not lying, when I first heard "The Turbulent Years", it transported me back to watching old BBC current affairs programmes such as "Panorama". Interesting also to speculate if Williams was bringing out the "Darth Vader" side of Nixon in that cue... Down memory lane - I remember being excited at seeing the CD-ROM thing, even though the image was all kind of jittery and kept freezing up. It was like "This is the future". Irrelevant nonsense bit - I had NIXON filed upside down on my shelves for months, and only noticed it when checking the spines and thinking - "What the heck's NOXIN?"    Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 2:21 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I don't care what anybody says – I think "Nixon" is a fantastic Williams score, one I return to often. It's an unashamedly melodramatic score, over-the-top in all the best ways. I'm particularly fond of the meditative set-piece "The Meeting With Mao." Same here. It's not only meditative, it's also a great example of Williams' 'religious sound' that I love so much.    Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 9:44 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) YEAH, esp. "Meeting With Mao." PS you said that on Dec. 14, 2000 per link cited above.    Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 9:49 AM     By:   Thomas   (Member) Can't say I listen to this one too often, though there is a couple of decent cues as previously mentioned I find the rest not too interesting. Funnily, I also could never get the CD-Rom extras to work either. Thor, what do you mean by the 'religious sound'?    Posted:   Apr 13, 2015 - 9:53 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) Thor & I go back a ways. I rarely beat him to the punch. But here YOU go, Thomas: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=35916&forumID=1&archive=0     General Discussion: After watching Oliver Stone's NIXON...    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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