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 Posted:   Jun 3, 2015 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Just saw this on Netflix last night. I vaguely remember this film. I might have watched it on cable a very long time ago but it probably wasn't the "Directors Cut". Anyone know the difference? What was added or taken out?

The film started out promising and had a good cast. Burt Lancaster is always solid, and Michael York's performance was really impressive in "the transformation" scenes. Barbara Carrera character was just window dressing, though nice window dressing.


The make up effects are dated and surprisingly wasn't much of an improvement over Planet of the Apes a decade earlier. The animal-human hybrids "aped" it up to much and were just annoying. And the climax made no sense at all! The photography was pretty straight forward but there were a few interesting shots. Especially the lifeless body hanging in front of the flaming village.

Blink and you'll miss the weird twist in the last 30 seconds of the film!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2015 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Just saw this on Netflix last night. I vaguely remember this film. I might have watched it on cable a very long time ago but it probably wasn't the "Directors Cut". Anyone know the difference? What was added or taken out?

The film started out promising and had a good cast. Burt Lancaster is always solid, and Michael York's performance was really impressive in "the transformation" scenes. Barbara Carrera character was just window dressing, though nice window dressing.


The make up effects are dated and surprisingly wasn't much of an improvement over Planet of the Apes a decade earlier. The animal-human hybrids "aped" it up to much and were just annoying. And the climax made no sense at all! The photography was pretty straight forward but there were a few interesting shots. Especially the lifeless body hanging in front of the flaming village.

Blink and you'll miss the weird twist in the last 30 seconds of the film!


SPOILER ALERT





The original ending had Michael York turning around after spotting the ship thinking they are saved and seeing that Barbara Carrera returning to her true Animal form in the boat and her about to jump at him and more then likely kill him.

As a matter of fact that is the version that Laurence Rosenthal scored and that music is heard in the final film under the "Happy Ending"...


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2015 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Odd how no one seems capable of making a good film out of Dr Moreau's exploits. I've seen both colour versions - both forgettable rubbish regardless of Lancaster, Brando etc. Maybe the old Charles Laughton version is better. Not seen it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2015 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

In the ending of the "Directors Cut" they show a half second shot of Maria's face regressing. Don't know if that was the original cut. Like I said if you blinked you missed it. It's almost like they couldn't decide if they wanted a happy ending or a grim ending.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Odd how no one seems capable of making a good film out of Dr Moreau's exploits. I've seen both colour versions - both forgettable rubbish regardless of Lancaster, Brando etc. Maybe the old Charles Laughton version is better. Not seen it.

The Charles Laughton version is the best, but it's an early '30s movie and dated in style, but it has great atmosphere and still affective moments. Laughton is very hammy but good. The movie is creepy and has a truly chilling ending. I highly recommend the Criterion Blu-ray.

As for the Burt Lanchaster version. It has no style and isn't really much more than a made-for-tv production shot in Panavision. The director was Don Taylor, who's best movie is probably ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES. No one who worked on DR. MOREAU seems to have been happy with it, especially John Chambers, who I believe called it crap.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It wasn't that bad. The manimals (sp?) just hammed it up to much, and that is what annoyed me the most. That and the ending was retarded.

SPOILER:
They attack the village, burn it to the ground and when doing so release all the wild animals in cages so they can in turn attack and kill them all in the process. Meanwhile our hero's just hide off camera until all the carnage is done.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)


It wasn't that bad. The manimals (sp?) just hammed it up to much, and that is what annoyed me the most. That and the ending was retarded.

SPOILER:
They attack the village, burn it to the ground and when doing so release all the wild animals in cages so they can in turn attack and kill them all in the process. Meanwhile our hero's just hide off camera until all the carnage is done.


Maybe not that bad, but I don't care for it. I'm looking at it right now on Netflix and I was wrong about it being in Panavision. According to IMDB its correct aspect ratio is 1.85:1, but I can't understand why it wasn't shot in scope. The budget seems to have been $6 million. Anyway, Netflix is streaming it in 4:3, which makes it look even more like a made-for-tv movie. My guess is it'll be cropped to 1.85 for the Blu-ray, and if you think the manimals ham it up too much in this version, then you better stay away from the Laughton version. By the way, Wells disapproved of the Laughton version and there hasn't been any version that was faithful to the novel.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Netflix is streaming it in 4:3

Yeah I was taken aback by that. But I watched it anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

I'm in agreement with most of what has been said here.
I've seen all three films. RoryR is spot on regarding the Laughton version. And the Lancaster version is fairly mediocre.
What I've never been able to understand is why the Brando version has been universally trashed. Heath referred to it as "forgettable rubbish," and that's precisely what many others have said about it. While it's far from being a perfect film, I have a great deal of appreciation for the Brando version. It does suffer from some poor CGI work to be sure, but there are also some fine qualities in the film that I think are worthy of attention.
Starting at the top, I love the powerful main title design by Thomas Cobb and Kyle Cooper. It's one of my very favorites. Of course, being a huge Saul Bass fan, I'm a sucker for exciting title designs.
I love Gary Chang's musical score.
I find Brando's performance to be a fascinating piece of work from a great actor. His flamboyant take on Dr. Moreau was to portray the creator whose creatures all refer to as "Father," as…a mother. According to director John Frankenheimer, Brando arrived on the set with all of his costumes, which he had selected himself. His wardrobe and his manner are totally feminine. I happen to believe that his entire performance is based upon an impression of Katherine Hepburn. He even appears in a very Hepburnesque neck veil.
Val Kilmer, David Thewlis, Fairuza Balk and Ron Perlman round out an excellent cast, each of whom have some memorable moments in the film.
Again, it's far from perfect, but I don't believe it deserves to be thrown in the "rubbish" bin either.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Heath referred to it as "forgettable rubbish," and that's precisely what many others have said about it. While it's far from being a perfect film, I have a great deal of appreciation for the Brando version.

Well, it's not entirely forgettable. I remember a bit where a "manimal" (shoulda hired Simon McCorkindale wink ) turns to camera and says "Bernard" in a somewhat campy patrician manner. I wondered who the hell this mysterious Bernard was... until I figured that Mr Manimal had actually said "Burn it". Personally, I prefer the idea that the monsters call out random names of non-existent people for no reason. But that's me. wink

Other than that I can't remember much about the movie other than it being uncinematic (looks like a 90s TV movie in the way the Lancaster looked like a 70s one), and Brando performing one of his latter day grotesques to amuse himself while the cheque clears, and Val Kilmer just looking pleased to be in the same room as Brando, and poor Thewlis looking bewildered for real. Who can blame him. big grin

The other thing I remember is UK film critic Barry Norman's negative review which he finished with (and I paraphrase) "John Frankenheimer once made great movies like The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May..." before adding gravely "...but that was a long, long time ago". Ouch.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Back to my original question. So no one knows the difference between the theatrical cut and directors cut of the "77" film? Just curious why this film got a "directors cut" if it's so hated and or forgettable?

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The other thing I remember is UK film critic Barry Norman's negative review which he finished with (and I paraphrase) "John Frankenheimer once made great movies like The Manchurian Candidate and Seven Days In May..." before adding gravely "...but that was a long, long time ago". Ouch.

I was thinking about this, too. I like a lot of the Frankenheimer version, though the film is very flawed. I feel it's biggest problem is miscasting, and not Brando -- he's supposed to be bizarre. My problem is I can't care about the Thewlis character because of something about Thewlis himself. I think Kilmer would have been better in the Thewlis role, and Thewlis better in Kilmer's role, but who knows? The script is really the problem. It opened up the novel in not so swift ways. The original Wells story still awaits proper adaptation, though I feel ISLAND OF LOST SOULS still will remain the best version -- Wells' novel really isn't that great.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Back to my original question. So no one knows the difference between the theatrical cut and directors cut of the "77" film? Just curious why this film got a "directors cut" if it's so hated and or forgettable?

I'm not aware that there are two cuts of this movie. I think the theatrical cut, what was in theaters, what has been on TV, what's now on Netflix and what's about to be on Blu-ray is it -- the only cut.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Back to my original question. So no one knows the difference between the theatrical cut and directors cut of the "77" film? Just curious why this film got a "directors cut" if it's so hated and or forgettable?

I'm not aware that there are two cuts of this movie. I think the theatrical cut, what was in theaters, what has been on TV, what's now on Netflix and what's about to be on Blu-ray is it -- the only cut.


Then perhaps adding the line "Directors Cut" is just marketing BS? It specifically says, "The Island of Dr. Moreau: Director's Cut "

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Just found this review of the Blu-ray online. So, Netflix is showing it in HD but in the wrong aspect ratio. Still not sure if the BD transfer is matted to 1.85:1, or if the Netflix transfer cuts the sides. I think the former. Anyway, lots of nice screen captures of the manimals overacting.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-ray_reviews_67/the_island_of_dr_moreau_blu-ray.htm

Talks about that final, theatrically un-seen shot as being an extra, not part of the actual movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2015 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, the alternate ending is unclear. Some ppl on IMDB swear there is a longer shot of Carrera's face then she lounges at York. Others say there's just that brief shot of Carrea's face and then the film ends. No reaction from York either. Which is what I saw on Netflix.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2017 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The Marvel Comics adaptation gave us the intended ending in its full grim glory.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The Marvel Comics adaptation gave us the intended ending in its full grim glory.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2017 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Marvel Comics adaptation gave us the intended ending in its full grim glory.


Finally after all these decades the ending is resolved. Awesome!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2017 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'd jump overboard since some cats hate getting wet. wink

 
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