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 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I was looking at this post on Cartoon Research about the pre-CD releases for Snow White and it appears that there was an LP containing the complete score released in 1975. Anyone else know anything about this? It also raises the question of why it wasn't issued on CD complete, unless I'm misreading this and it's actually the whole film on this (dialogue and all).

Walt Disney’s
SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS
Complete Original Soundtrack
Buena Vista Records #102. (Three 12” 33 1/3 RPM LP Records)

Released in 1975. Running Time: 85 minutes.
The Star Wars of its day is also the only Disney animated feature to be released in its entirety on vinyl records. To be able to listen to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, from start to finish at home on two LP records was nothing short of fantastical, back in the days before home video when Disney films were shown theatrically every seven years or so.




Like Buena Vista’s 1977 complete soundtrack of The Rankin/Bass Production of The Hobbit, the Snow White soundtrack set was sold in the U.S. in a three-record boxed set. International versions were produced in such countries as Australia in Japan (the Japanese edition was issued on two Buena Vista discs in a gatefold cover instead of a box).

http://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/disneys-snow-white-and-the-seven-soundtrack-albums/

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, it's the entire audio of the film on LP. Music, sound effects, and dialog. Basically the film without video. No narration either.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2016 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Thanks for the clarification. The "complete" label through me off guard when I saw that section of the article. On another note, the article indicates that the 56 LP has music that is not on the current CD, such as the Prayer at Evening cue and that alternate chorus on the finale (much like how the LPs for Bambi and Sleeping Beauty had music not on their respective CD's), which I find really confusing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

These so called alternate choruses are misconstrued as being alternate pieces written for the film.
Not Quite. the international prints would often be dubbed with the shorus oohing and aahing instead of singing actual English Words.
What pieces from Bambio are on the lp but not on the cd?

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

These so called alternate choruses are misconstrued as being alternate pieces written for the film.
Not Quite. the international prints would often be dubbed with the shorus oohing and aahing instead of singing actual English Words.
What pieces from Bambio are on the lp but not on the cd?


Bambio? Was that about the deer who wreaks his revenge on the hunters? wink

"Bambi reuniting with Faline/forest fire from a distance" music is missing from the CD I believe. I seem to remember the cassette having the hunting dogs chase music, and I'm not sure if that's on the CD or LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I have a pre-recorded cassette of SNOW WHITE (#1201B) which uses the lineup from the 1956 LP, including the "Prayer at Evening" cue. I bought it in the late 1980s, I believe.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

These so called alternate choruses are misconstrued as being alternate pieces written for the film.
Not Quite. the international prints would often be dubbed with the shorus oohing and aahing instead of singing actual English Words.


So it's sort of like what they did for the various bits of text in the film (the dwarfs' beds, the Queen's spell books, etc.) for the international prints where they were redone in different languages.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

Never mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

No, the various finales are not in different languages. To avoid that and rerecording of these over and over, these just hum and ooh and aah. as you can hear on the Disneyland lps.
the Snwo White prayer at Evening is not the music track, but its the prayer off of the film with Snow white saying the prayer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Regarding "Prayer at Evening," only the first 0:15 has dialogue, the remaining 1:53 is MUSIC ONLY, without any of the dialogue or sound effects heard in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

No, the various finales are not in different languages. To avoid that and rerecording of these over and over, these just hum and ooh and aah. as you can hear on the Disneyland lps.
the Snwo White prayer at Evening is not the music track, but its the prayer off of the film with Snow white saying the prayer.


Very interesting. I did not realize that the Prayer at Evening track was just the prayer off the film.

As for international prints, I came upon this article about the French dub at the time the film was restored in the 90's. I bring this up because there is a section that talks about what went into the creation of the current CD and it also seems to reveal why the music for the dwarfs' pursuit of the Queen was not there (apparently it only survived on the music-and-effects track). Of course, things may have changed since then as it also mentions that a short section of the finale was missing, though I think they found that section when the CD was reissued.

Here is the relevant section of the article:

To tie in with the release, a CD comes out in 1993 with the original American soundtrack remastered from newly discovered elements. Restorers worked from seven different sources: restored final mixes, international tracks (a music and effects mix used to make foreign versions) and especially a few optical tracks of the original recordings of the music which had survived on nitrate film. On the CD booklet, the "huge" size of the sound files is given as 3.6 gigabytes. The CD offers monaural sound and the two last tracks are two songs deleted from the film: Music In Your Soup & You're Never Too Old to be Young.

Unlike the 1938 album (a temporary mix of vocals, music and effects), reissued on CD in 1988, and the one from 1957 (where the character voices were included only in songs), this time the disc contains more incidental music. The final chase is noticeably absent as it only exists in a version mixed with effects which a quite intrusive in the scene (storm, rain, etc.). Moreover, a short segment of the final cue is also missing.


http://www.alostfilm.com/2015/02/snow-white-in-france-chapter-7-1994.html?m=1

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2016 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

I saw a copy of this 3LP set at Footlight years ago. It was very expensive. Don't remember the price. Maroon-colored box as I recall.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2016 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)


tackthecobbler: "Very interesting. I did not realize that the Prayer at Evening track was just the prayer off the film."

I repeat my earlier post, only the first 0:15 has dialogue (Snow White's voice) over it, the remaining 1:53 of the track is MUSIC ONLY, from the music track, without any of the dialogue or sound effects that appear in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2016 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

that missing section of the Finle was a editing mistake, and was always n all versions of the Disneyland LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

RECORDMAN: That's the same art that was used on the pre-recorded cassette I mentioned above. The cassette had no case. It came in a blister pack attached to cardboard backing about seven or eight inches high which had that color artwork on it.


RAY: I used to have that three-LP set. Yes, the one I had did indeed have that cover with the maroon background with the characters over it, which is far different from the one in the link posted by TackTheCobbler above:

http://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/disneys-snow-white-and-the-seven-soundtrack-albums/

I can't seem to find a picture of that other version of the cover anywhere on the internet!

I remember that I paid something like $75.00 for that 3-LP set from a collector in the 1980s. The only reason I later got rid of it was that when the VHS and laserdisc of the film finally came out, I felt there was no need to keep the LP set, as it only duplicated the composite soundtrack right off the film. If I had known this particular variant cover on the box was such an obscurity, I might have hung on to it or at least taken pictures of it. Thank God, I at least have Ray Faiola to say he once saw the same cover pressing.

I'm sure a photo of that pressing will show up someday.

I'm off now, to edit my cassette tape selection into the playlist of the Disney CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2016 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Concerning one of the earlier posts about the finale being sung as "ahhhs" for the foreign prints, so Disney wouldn't have to dub the words into different languages... this begs the question, what did they do about all the OTHER songs in the film when releasing it to foreign markets.

I'll have to do some research into when subtitles on foreign prints first began to happen.

 
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