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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

One of the replies to Yavar's Take Her, She's Mine breakdown post requested one for Jerry Goldsmith's The Reincarnation of Peter Proud. I had done one in trying to identify and order the cues on the *beep* CD version. I don't recall the CD's order, as I rearranged them properly. You'll have to match the running times.

01. Main Title / The Murder (3.23)
02. Peter and Sam (.22)
03. Dreams of the Past (1.32)
04. Classic Car (1.49) (not all used)
05. Dream House (.41)
06. Visions (.23)
07. More Visions (.35)
08. Book Store (1.58)
09. Recording the Dream (1.11)
10. Hypnosis / TV Program (2.24) (partial source)
11. Trip to Massachussetts (1.43)
12. Trip Continues / Hip Pain / Fight with Nora (1.34)
13. The Bridge / The Church / No Statue (2.17)
14. Nora Leaves / The Statue (1.42)
15. Police Station (.58)
16. Crystal Lake (.23)
17. Dreams / Peter Finds the House (2.53)
18. Inside the House (.50)
19. Bedroom Memories (1.59)
20. Newspaper Clippings (2.02)
21. Signature / The Cemetery (2.45)
22. Following Anne (1.21)
23. Tennis with Anne / Meeting Mrs.Curtis (2.55)
24. Story of Jeff's Death / Date with Anne (3.27) (not all used)
25. Watching Peter (.57)
26. Picnic (1.00)
27. Nursing Home TV Music (.28) (source)
28. Grandmother's Recognition (.59)
29. The Cottage (.50)
30. The Tree / Peter and Anne (2.20)
31. Poolside Dreams (2.24)
32. The Tub and the Rape (2.07)
33. Are You Alright (.54)
34. Marcia Confronts Peter (1.21)
35. Return to the Lake / Peter's Fate / End Titles (7.00) (not all used)

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for doing this!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

God I love this score so much.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I feel like I've read this thread before

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yeah, the score completely makes the movie. Haunting main theme. Dammit, now I want to watch this again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2016 - 11:49 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

I posted this before, but I like it -

In issues 19 & 20 of the Soundtrack Collector's Newsletter, published in 1980, John Caps wrote an excellent article called The Ascent of Jerry Goldsmith. Here's what he wrote about Peter Proud:

" The ability to score for concept in a picture is even better tested in a film that has no cogent concept, no single idea of itself: The Reincarnation of Peter Proud. Goldsmith was obliged to create a whole voice for this weak movie, to become it's spokesman so that the whole film might, if it could, feed off of him. This was the silly story of a man who believed that he was murdered on a Massachusetts lake in some previous life. He set out to track down the facts of his own past, found that he was indeed murdered on the very lake he was visiting now and, inadvertently, recreated the whole incident. The script could not make much more of the plot than that - the players were flat in undeveloped roles and, although there was a rape, the murder, some nudity, and a spicing of occult, the film never even convinced us that it was serious.

Why Goldsmith signed on for the job is questionable for a start, but taking it in hand as he did, we find one of the most easily attractive, lyrically flowing scores he would do in the 1970's. It was a flute and piano score for the most part, backed by a standard string orchestra and a brace of synthetic sounds that mixed into Peter Proud's disturbing dream world. The mood Goldsmith provided was a sort of elegiac melodrama where Predestination is a sad necessity of life - at least Proud's life. It's Goldsmith's sympathy that sets the tone for the movie, that tells us how to take the story we're watching, and although the script gets worse as we go along, the music charms us closer.

The main tune was used in different guises - as pianos solos, as pulsing travel music while Proud looked for the home town his "other self" would recognize, and as a yearning string moment when Proud's doctor friend described reincarnation to him over the phone. Once he meets a "nice girl" during a game of tennis, a flowing new waltz tune for piano is introduced and it is reprised later by a lush string orchestra during their love scene on the cliff. All the while, even the love music reinforces the regretful, fated moodiness. The film absorbed some of that feeling from the music and at times seemed almost to be working. It was really only riding the ascent of Jerry Goldsmith. "

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2016 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

By the way, there's a pop cover version of the theme that appeared on the LP "Filmusic", credited to the Leon Herbert orchestra, that's actually quite catchy.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2016 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   woelfeljb   (Member)

Yes thanks for posting this. Has anyone figured out which of these cues is and isn't on the semi bootleg LP that exists.

Also I don't see any shame in his taking this job and his score shows that he gave it his all--though most of his scores show that he did. The film was based on a bestselling book and got a major push when it was released and featured, hot and rising, at the time, stars. He went on to score for J. Lee Thompson again of course as well so it must have been a good experience for him. This was also that period when he said he "couldn't get a feature" as I think he was afraid he would end up back just doing television.

Any teenage or college age boy who ever saw the film always talked about the Kidder masturbation scene in the bathtub and the film gets talked about as Goldmith's first such scene until BASIC INSTINCT. It was promoted/exploited in various men's magazines and also oddly promoted the fact that it had a PLAYGIRL"S man of the year playing one of the parts. But the movie is better than these "blue" elements that were used to sell it.

The score is one of the best of his unreleased scores and of his electronic scores it's still one of his most effective. The film is obscure now but it was a "real" movie when it came out and has just fallen into a tangled web of obscurity because it was not produced by a major studio.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2016 - 10:22 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I STILL have never heard this score! frownfrownfrownfrownfrown

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2016 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

So what's the story with this one? Is there a reason why there's a hold up on an official CD release? Seems like an obvious gap in the Goldsmith Discography.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2016 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There is an unmentionable released with so-so sound, but here's what Doug Fake had to say about it way back in 2005: "While poor cassette dubs and CDRs abound, true master elements for the majority of this score remain missing. Though a license can probably be negotiated for the album rights, the recording sessions were done here. So AFM fees also still apply, if the actual session masters can be located. There were separate orchestral sessions, piano sessions and electronic sessions. Where everything ended up is a mystery. We've found a small part of them but that's it so far. We'll keep our eyes peeled..."

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

This is without a doubt my favorite unreleased Jerry Goldsmith score. It starts off mostly creepy and atmospheric but toward the end it's full of gorgeous romantic longing. I love the cue with Sarrazin and O'Neil playing tennis, and the big music for the love scene is simultaneously beautiful and tragic. It's a great score and I hope it gets a release someday.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2016 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

This is without a doubt my favorite unreleased Jerry Goldsmith score. <...> I hope it gets a release someday.

Mine as well. I very much hope so too!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2016 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I STILL have never heard this score! frownfrownfrownfrownfrown

Neither have I!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Is Soundtrack Library still in business?

Their soundtrack CD for THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD is long out-of-print and impossible to obtain. So was the film until a month ago; it never had a DVD release. The long-suppressed film is finally out on blu-ray, and making new fans and reminding old fans how great a film it was. People are also commenting enthusiastically on Jerry Goldsmith's score.

If Soundtrack Library or another entity were to re-release the CD it would do very well. I understand the Kino-Lorber bluray is selling like crazy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 4:20 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Soundtrack Library wasn't a REAL label and only released bootlegs (to my knowledge).
And we don't talk about THEM around here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)


Their soundtrack CD for THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD is long out-of-print and impossible to obtain.


That was the same bootleg mono version that's on YouTube. It's not a terrible way to hear the score, but a score like this in particular, with the odd effects and electronics, is really done an injustice without a stereo presentation. Which the film itself doesn't have, either.

A little mystery regarding the film is that when it aired on TV, several short pieces of score that were unused in the theatrical print were re-instated. Specifically when Peter Proud is in the car dealership looking at the old car,. and the aftermath of the tennis game at the table, were both scored scenes that retained their music on TV. The Blu-Ray loses those cues again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Soundtrack Library wasn't a REAL label and only released bootlegs (to my knowledge).
And we don't talk about THEM around here.


Ooops.
Never having seen it, how was I to know.
I hope everyone has sufficiently recovered from the shock to appreciate the score.

I hope someone is actively looking for the elements.
If the tapes can't be found, tap into the film's audio elements and release something, however imperfect.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

Additionally, may I say, I consider this an important score in Jerry Goldsmith's career.

I mean, just listen to it. It may have been done quickly and cheaply but Goldsmith applied the same integrity and creative intelligence to the film as he did to the bigger contracts. Further, THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD is not a film to be ashamed of. It's a first-rate suspense thriller, literately and inventively written, that depends on the dramatic skills of its actors and the visual skills of its director to engage the audience. It doesn't need big loud special effects and hyper-fast action. It's not that kind of film. Goldsmith's score is the vital piece of thread that keeps this suit stitched together, but it's a fine suit on its own.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Additionally, may I say, I consider this an important score in Jerry Goldsmith's career.

I mean, just listen to it. It may have been done quickly and cheaply but Goldsmith applied the same integrity and creative intelligence to the film as he did to the bigger contracts. Further, THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD is not a film to be ashamed of. It's a first-rate suspense thriller, literately and inventively written, that depends on the dramatic skills of its actors and the visual skills of its director to engage the audience. It doesn't need big loud special effects and hyper-fast action. It's not that kind of film. Goldsmith's score is the vital piece of thread that keeps this suit stitched together, but it's a fine suit on its own.


I just watched this film last week (for the first time, not including broadcast TV years ago, which doesn't count) on the new Kino blu-ray and greatly enjoyed it. I sure hope they can find the score elements, as I would love to hear Goldsmith's score apart from the film.

The audio commentary for the Kino blu-ray is highly recommended, with facts concerning all the artists (cast, crew, Max Erlich, who wrote the novel and screenplay) coming at ya fast and furious. Goldsmith's music receives high praise, as it should, and perceptive structural analysis.

 
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