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I think it's probably worth mentioning that we have similar divisions within film music. Not everyone likes Horner, not everyone likes Goldsmith, Williams, etc. I don't get on with Delarue's style for the most part, but I certainly respect those who do like his music. Also, I don't like everything by my favourite composers. Horner's Commando is one of my least liked Horner scores, but that doesn't stop others from liking it. So for non-film music, the same must shirley apply - I have one Collins and one Dire Straits album each, both obvious. I certainly don't know the rest of their music, but while I like what I have, I'm not motivated to get more of the less known stuff.
Quite so. And as is often seen on these boards, mentioning a name like Hans Zimmer among film score fans is like throwing a hand grenade into a crowded room. A bloodbath ensues. I've never understood dismissing an artist or a genre outright, because you personally don't happen to like his/her style. That's just, like, your opinion, man. If other people like it, they must get some enjoyment from it, so there's value in it. Don't act like your personal opinion is the gospel truth, and others are simply wrong for liking what they like.
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I must admit, I absolutely HATE (no, sorry, I dislike intensely) the songs of Bryan Adams, and I cannot stomach bloody Dire Straits. And that bloody (poor guy, I know he's ill) Phil bloody Collins. It's mostly abysmal to me, totally devoid of any interest, and well past the bounds of embarrassment. So I actually feel a bit embarrassed FOR my friends who like that stuff. In truth, I have no friends who like that stuff, but if I had, I'd feel embarrassed for them, as I would for the fans of Richard Clayderman.
Oh... great Scott... what if I told you I think "I can't dance" is one of the great pop songs of the 1990s.
(Not that I ever would.... just asking what would happen if I ever did.)
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Jan 29, 2016 - 5:27 AM
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Graham Watt
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And so, in a way, I'm siding with cormoran's post, in which he says you can't really criticize Phil Collins until you've heard everything he's worked on.
No, that's not what I said, nor meant. What I mean is, if you've only heard 5% of Collins songs (the radio hits, let's say), and based on those you determine him to be "shit", and then you talk to someone who has heard 100% of Collins who says he likes Collins, for all you know he might dislike the same 5% and like the other 95% (or maybe just 30% of his stuff, which you've never heard). So what you two are talking about is completely different music.
So IMO when you say "Collins is shit", what you actually mean is "the 5% (or whatever) I've heard from Collins is shit, but honestly I don't know what the rest of his music is like".
Sure, even after listening to 50%-100% of his stuff you might still think his music is shit, but at least then you know what you are talking about, and you're talking about the same pieces of music with the person who likes it.
cormoranstrike, I see that I did indeed misquote you. Apologies for that - I was doing a summing-up from memory. But you've also misquoted me with the "Collins is shit" part of your post. I didn't say that. I used the word "shit" (and only once) as a kind of flippant final paragraph about a lot of things in general.
In fact it seems that the Phil Collins example has been blown out of all proportion. I like to think of this place as I do a bar where we can, if we wish, discuss issues in a comparatively serious way, but with leeway for off-the-cuff comments. Haven't we ever gone into a bar and have someone go up to the jukebox and put on a song we don't like, resulting in us all covering our faces in an attempt to demonstrate "it wasn't me?" The last time it happened was when my daughter chose a One Direction song on the jukebox. We all shouted "Gerroff!" of course. And then she quite rightly pointed out that none of those present had actually heard any of the group's more esoteric experiments, and so we should shut up. We didn't shut up of course - we just hurled more abuse. That's only human.
Furthermore, if you (plural) look back at my entire initial post(s), you'll find that it's not really about "rock stars we hate" (inverted commas intentional) - You'd have to wade through 90% of my incredibly thought-provoking and valid comments before you get to the 10% of rubbish, which is hardly statistically significant. The gist of my posts was actually about how it's really as much to do with how "we" don't get "them" as with how "they" don't get "us." It's an artificial division of course, but it was meant to lead to how, yes, I can truly understand why many people simply don't understand why we listen to film music. I never really understood the attraction of Blondie's songs m'self until about ten years after her first hit.
Which brings us nicely back to Kev's original title for the thread. No, I'm not LOUD AND PROUD. I don't shout it from the rooftops because of that very misconception which many of us on both "sides" share.
Oh, and Nicolai, you'll listen to whatever you want, no matter what I say. Just as long as the next time I'm at your house you're prepared for a gentle ribbing. And I'll be perfectly ready for any stifled laughter at my Peters and Lee singles.
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Jan 29, 2016 - 5:46 AM
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Hurdy Gurdy
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What interests me is how some people here ONLY collect and listen to film music. Period.
Others add classical music to their film score listening.
While many others still go for their other genres of music, from pop, rock, jazz, indie etc.
I'm in that 3rd group. I liked T-Rex and David Bowie (plus things I was hearing from my older brothers and sisters' rooms (Led Zepp, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Eagles, Cat Stevens, David Cassidy) BEFORE I fell for JW via JAWS and STAR WARS.
I've loved things by Queen, REM, U2, Sigur Ros and The Eels while maintaining my passion for all things film music.
Moods dictate what I choose to listen to and I try to be as open as I can to new music (last year, the shop Lidl had a Xmas advert on with a song that was called All the Little Things - they changed Little to LIDL - and I loved it, only to find out from the cats in work that it was by ONE DIRECTION!!!). I'm down with the kids!!! 
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What interests me is how some people here ONLY collect and listen to film music. Period.
Others add classical music to their film score listening.
While many others still go for their other genres of music, from pop, rock, jazz, indie etc.
I'm in that 3rd group. I liked T-Rex and David Bowie (plus things I was hearing from my older brothers and sisters' rooms (Led Zepp, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Eagles, Cat Stevens, David Cassidy) BEFORE I fell for JW via JAWS and STAR WARS.)
I originally started with classical music, then film music, and finally added jazz, rock, pop...
Perhaps the "wrong" order, but it worked for me. :-)
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Jan 29, 2016 - 6:02 AM
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Tall Guy
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What interests me is how some people here ONLY collect and listen to film music. Period.
Ditto. As I always say, who knows film music, who only film music knows? It sounds as if it should be a palindrome, but what I mean is that without understanding the external influences - not only "classical" but also the pop, jazz and rock stylings of Barry, Legrand, Elfman, Greenwood, Sakamoto and the like - it must be difficult to truly understand what film music is all about.
As for being either in the closet or loud and proud, I suppose I walk a middle path. I'm old enough to not really give a toss what strangers think about my taste in music. After all, it's immaculate.
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Man you can say that again
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Man you can say that again
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So for a lot of you, score music is your porn? Oh the embarrassment if you are caught!
Nice simile, Solly.
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