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 Posted:   Feb 29, 2016 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Over the past 4 months, there's been an unexpected but welcome surge of Mario Nascimbene's music on disc.

From November of 2015, with the release of 1960's LA GARÇONNIÈRE on Kronos and 1965's LE SOLDATESSE on Beat/Digitmovies, through February '16 announcements on upcoming Nascimbene music for late-'50s cinematic violence via Quartet (ESTATE VIOLENTA '59) and Kronos (L'ULTIMA VIOLENZA '57), we appear to be in the midst of a Nascimbene re-appraisal/re-evaluation.

Interestingly, the focus is on Nascimbene's non-English film scores which have been obscured for decades (since the days of LPs) by his works for Hollywood & Great Britain.

Compliments extended to these record labels for making such items available on disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   SilverPoint   (Member)

Has Nascimbene worked on any giallo or horror films?

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Is there a definitive edition of ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

The new Blu-ray of ALEXANDER THE GREAT from Twilight Time will isolate Nascimbene's score on an audio track.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 11:58 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I'm waiting for an improved release of "Barabbas"; a stunning score, sometimes quite unsettling.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Has Nascimbene worked on any giallo or horror films?

Nothing that I'm aware of, but Nascimbene did provide music for an Egyptian production of The Mummy in 1969 (but it's apparently not a horror movie).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Is there a definitive edition of ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.?

I expect, RoryR, that you are already acquainted with the Intermezzo LP and/or the Legend CD which contain 7 tracks from this film?

Beyond these, I don't think any more music is available (unless the master tapes do exist but cost too much money to restore & re-master).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Personally I would like to hear Il processo di Verona (1963), Commandos (1968), and La storia di San Michele (1962). The latter two are on a Cinevox LP, so maybe Saimel can do it?

Also La Peccatrice del Deserto (1959) is a Peplum, so might be a good seller if the tapes exist.

Would also be good to finally get some of his US soundtracks in full, like Romanoff and Juliet (1961) and Light in the Piazza (1962). Maybe US labels can help?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

And of course the full Morte di un Amico conducted by Morricone. Quartet said they would do it... let's see.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

And Morricone started his film music career as an orchestrator/arranger for Nascimbene. I bet Maestro Nascimbene is looking from his shoulders over Morricone's recent Oscar win.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Is there a definitive edition of ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.?

I expect, RoryR, that you are already acquainted with the Intermezzo LP and/or the Legend CD which contain 7 tracks from this film?

Beyond these, I don't think any more music is available (unless the master tapes do exist but cost too much money to restore & re-master).


Don't forget though that Nic Raine did a phenomenal 8-minute suite from this film for one of his Silva compilations.

It's a short but absolutely fantastic score. No one will ever convince me it wasn't a big point of inspiration for Poledouris' CONAN THE BARBARIAN.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2016 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Personally I would like to hear Il processo di Verona (1963), Commandos (1968), and La storia di San Michele (1962). The latter two are on a Cinevox LP, so maybe Saimel can do it?

Also La Peccatrice del Deserto (1959) is a Peplum, so might be a good seller if the tapes exist.

You can totally forget about PECCATRICE DEL DESERTO because that is Edizioni Curci (who won't have any tapes of this score) and also about IL PROCESSO DI VERONA which is owned by Radiofilmusica so that nothing will happen in the near future.
COMMANDOS and STORIA DI SAN MICHELE on the old Cinevox LP together have a duration of only 24 (!) minutes. So this is much too short to fill one CD and Cinevox doesn't have more material than this album master. Till now the Italian labels have also not at all collaborated with Andrea Mascitti who manages the Nascimbene archive and where private tape copies with more material could maybe still available.
Besides, Cinevox have also released their album master already a few years ago as digital download:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089H2HTS?ie=UTF8&keywords=storia%20di%20san%20michele&qid=1456948104&ref_=sr_1_1&s=dmusic&sr=1-1-mp3-albums-bar-strip-0

It is very funny that apparently they have totally mixed up the two scores on this digital download. Normally, STORIA should be the second score on this download as it was on side B of the LP, but if you listen to the the excerpts on the Amazon website, everything begins with STORIA and the last three tracks then are from COMMANDOS. So even the track titles there are wrong now. smile

What you can still expect from the CAM catalogue are just these Nascimbene scores:
- LA FRECCIA D'ORO (L'ARCIERE DELLE MILLE E UNA NOTTE)
- IL DISORDINE
- UN REIETTO DELLE ISOLE
- SOCRATE (although this score has mainly mixerama effects, some tracks were available on one or two CAM CML library LPs from the 70s)
- LA LOTTA DELL'UOMO PER LA SOPRAVVIVENZA
- TOGLI LE GAMBE DAL PARABREZZA

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2016 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


- LA FRECCIA D'ORO (L'ARCIERE DELLE MILLE E UNA NOTTE)
- LA LOTTA DELL'UOMO PER LA SOPRAVVIVENZA


As if on cue within this 'mini-revival' (as I call it), Digitmovies announces a pairing on one disc of these 2 titles cited above.

http://www.digitsoundtracks.com/site/en/products/DGST011/

The 1962 fantasy film is in mono, and The Fight for Survival (what survives from the '70/'71 LA LOTTA DELL'UOMO PER LA SOPRAVVIVENZA) is in stereo.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2016 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Is there a definitive edition of ONE MILLION YEARS B.C.?

I expect, RoryR, that you are already acquainted with the Intermezzo LP and/or the Legend CD which contain 7 tracks from this film?

Beyond these, I don't think any more music is available (unless the master tapes do exist but cost too much money to restore & re-master).


Don't forget though that Nic Raine did a phenomenal 8-minute suite from this film for one of his Silva compilations.

It's a short but absolutely fantastic score. No one will ever convince me it wasn't a big point of inspiration for Poledouris' CONAN THE BARBARIAN.


No, I'm not acquanted with the Intermezzo LP, but I have owned a copy of the Legend CD for some years, which also includes eight tracks each from WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH and CREATURES THE WORLD FORGOT. However, I read it knocked as a travesty. While I'm not bothered by it, it seems to my ears that the tracks from ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. are rechanneled stereo from a mono source. That may be the case with the others, too? I don't know, I'm just wondering if anything better has ever been released that I am unaware of. I guess not. The movie itself will be out on Blu-ray in the UK this June, but who knows what's in a vault anywhere regarding the score tracks?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2016 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

While I'm not bothered by it, it seems to my ears that the tracks from ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. are rechanneled stereo from a mono source. That may be the case with the others, too?

That re-channeled sound might also be attributed to Nascimbene's mixerama equipment. This would be my first guess regarding the sound quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   petruccio   (Member)

I think it's great news Nascimbene's new editions. I have a doubt Stefan Schlegel. I've heard several issues CAM CML 21 & 25 ( tracks: Alieanazione , Technology Senza Anima, Acque Senza Vita and Rito Pagano ) and except the first , I have not been able to identify them in the film Socrate. Do you know if those items belong really to Socrate or another soundtrack ?. It's very similar music together, very difficult to hear, full of effects and see very difficult ever to be published even if there is material available. All his scores for TV films Rossellini have a very similar structure with incidental music. This is the case of Gli Atti degli Apostoli (published in CAM), Il Messia , Cartesius , Agostino d' Ippona , Blaise Pascal , Anno Uno and L' Età di Cosimo di Medici . Is there material available to publish any of these scores ?I think it's great news Nascimbene new editions. I have a doubt Stefan Schlegel. I've heard several issues CML CAM 21 & 25 ( tracks: Alieanazione , Technology Senza Anima, Acque Senza Vita and Rito Pagano ) and except the first , I have not been able to identify them in the film Socrate . Do you know if those items belong really to Socrate or another soundtrack ?. It is very similar music together , very difficult to hear, full of effects and see very difficult ever to be published even if there is material available. All his scores for films Rossellini TV have a very similar structure with incidental music. This is the case of Gli Atti degli Apostoli (published in CAM ) , Il Messia , Cartesius , Agostino d' Ippona , Blaise Pascal , Anno Uno and L' Età di Cosimo di Medici . Is there material available to publish any of these scores?. Apart from the scores you've commented previously owned by Sugar Music , you know if the future publication of more scores than owned by Sugar Music is possible?. It would be possible to publish complete Barabbas?.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Hello petruccio, all the tracks by Nascimbene on the two CAM CML LP albums 21 & 25 come from SOCRATE and not from another score by the composer. That's for sure!
The other Roberto Rossellini movies you mention - except GLI ATTI DEGLI APOSTOLI - were not owned by CAM anyway, some of them like BLAISE PASCAL or AGOSTINO D'IPPONA were even during the 70s owned by Sugarmusic. So it could be that nothing has been preserved at Sugar for them and you really would have to contact Andrea Mascitti in Orsogna (near Pescara) who nowadays - or rather since about 2002 - manages all the tapes of the Nascimbene estate:
http://www.nascimbeneaward.com/andrea_mascitti.html
I know that at least about 20 minutes of IL MESSIA (with flute solo by Severino Gazzelloni) must exist there because I have a copy of them, but I am not really sure about the other Rossellini scores.
But als long as no one is able to get in contact with Andrea Mascitti or to collaborate with him, nothing will happen with those tapes from the estate at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   petruccio   (Member)

Thank you very much for your answer Stefan. What you say is almost impossible for scores of TV films of Rossellini are edited. It's a shame!. Perhaps someone posts Socrate and Il Messia. It could be a disc with both titles since between the two would be enough to complete at least 40 minutes of music duration. To see what happens in the future with new editions of Nascimbene . Since you are an expert on the work of Nascimbene I have some doubts that maybe you can dispel. I have a copy with 16 tracks called Danze Orientali i Timbri Musicali. The first eight tracks corresponding to the part of Danze Orientali correspond to variations Solomon & Sheba issues but the next eight tracks corresponding to Timbri Musicali is not what movies belong. Is there any chance know?. You probably also have copy and can tell me what scores are.
I have also doubt whether the tracks of Mario Nascimbene appearing in Cooper Library Records 60's belong to a particular score or not. I leave the tracklist here:

Rievocazioni Storiche N°1

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-1/release/6715026

Rievocazioni Storiche N°2

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-2/release/6715065

Rievocazioni Storiche N°3

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-3/release/6715074

Timbri Musicali N°3

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Timbri-Musicali-Nº-3/release/5803778

My dear friend Stefan, I hope you can help me identify both the tracks of Timbri Musicali such as Cooper Library Records.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   petruccio   (Member)

Thank you very much for your answer Stefan. What you say is almost impossible for scores of TV films of Rossellini are edited. It's a shame!. Perhaps someone posts Socrate and Il Messia. It could be a disc with both titles since between the two would be enough to complete at least 40 minutes of music duration. To see what happens in the future with new editions of Nascimbene . Since you are an expert on the work of Nascimbene I have some doubts that maybe you can dispel. I have a copy with 16 tracks called Danze Orientali i Timbri Musicali. The first eight tracks corresponding to the part of Danze Orientali correspond to variations Solomon & Sheba issues but the next eight tracks corresponding to Timbri Musicali is not what movies belong. Is there any chance know?. You probably also have copy and can tell me what scores are.
I have also doubt whether the tracks of Mario Nascimbene appearing in Cooper Library Records 60's belong to a particular score or not. I leave the tracklist here:

Rievocazioni Storiche N°1

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-1/release/6715026

Rievocazioni Storiche N°2

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-2/release/6715065

Rievocazioni Storiche N°3

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Rievocazioni-Storiche-N-3/release/6715074

Timbri Musicali N°3

https://www.discogs.com/es/Various-Timbri-Musicali-Nº-3/release/5803778

My dear friend Stefan, I hope you can help me identify both the tracks of Timbri Musicali such as Cooper Library Records.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2017 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Kronos continues to contribute to the Nascimbene discography via the Gold Collection:


 
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